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this hope radio for the masses Atlanta

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this in July 8 1947

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here are the airport through person ops

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been applying this - found and there's

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now in the possession of the RA the game

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is rigged changed the game changer I

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occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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this is baked and black with your host

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Jimmy church on the game-changer Radio

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Network and K GRA the Global Radio

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you are listening to fade to black with

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Jimmy judge on the game change in that

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fade to black

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his spoke radio for

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tonight's the night it's Wednesday

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forty-four days into the new year just

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321 days left we are live from a bunker

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somewhere in the middle of beautiful

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downtown Burbank California and I would

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like to welcome everybody listening all

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around the world

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across the United States hither and

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thither to and fro back and forth up and

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down east and west north and south far

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and near

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this is Veda block for kjc are the game

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changer networking kg are aid the planet

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I am your host to be Church what is

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cracking everybody how are you doing how

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are you good

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you guys are getting so quick on the

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Twitter man grabbing the the video feeds

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you like those guitar picks don't you

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hey he has a quick man I mean that was

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seconds follow me on twitter @ JT radio

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that's what you want to do at Jay Church

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radio hashtag F to B is the sandbox in

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real-time that's where a conversation

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goes down but other conversations go

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down and Spreaker in that chat room and

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kgr a the planet at that chat room got

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email popping in real-time that's right

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email in real-time

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jimmy head to maturity o calm imagine

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that emails gonna be big yeah it's gonna

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be big one day you're gonna see email

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you're gonna have one yeah Jimmy Jimmy

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turret radio.com how quick email has

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become passé alright I mean we all still

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use it but now it's about texting and

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people may do did you get my a Facebook

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message dude pick up the phone call me

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we'll look to your message on facebook

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ah it's crazy how we communicate today

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alright tonight right here on fade to

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black Isaac Arthur returns tonight we're

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gonna discuss the Fermi paradox Isaac

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did did the full show with me Sunday

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night over on coast to coast full four

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hours and he is absolutely

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and I promised you a Fermi paradox show

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for over a year I've kind of danced in

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and out of it certainly danced in and

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out of it for the last four or five

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years but but I have promised the Fermi

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paradox show tonight it is here alright

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alright that's what we're gonna do we're

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gonna do it from top to bottom you have

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the Fermi paradox tomorrow night open

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lines all night long we do have Serena

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and Doug Taylor will be here tomorrow

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night Serena right Taylor and Douglas

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Taylor will be with this tomorrow night

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and also open lines all night long okay

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there you go you know what to do when it

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comes to social media right on stellar

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Twitter Facebook YouTube it's all easy

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to get to head over to Jimmy Church

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radio.com you can follow like and

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subscribe right there and hashtag F to B

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is the sandbox hashtag F to be Q on

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questions okay it's really that simple

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and I keep everything up in front of me

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I know I talk about it but it's you guys

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alright listen the Twitter situation and

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as well as the chat rooms and everything

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but Twitter you guys created this

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monster you guys did it I didn't do it

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read it ended nope you guys did it you

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guys named it the sandbox you guys came

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up with the hashtags I don't know why

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you put the number 2 in there it could

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have been FTB that would have made

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things easy but no we got a no we got to

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throw a 2 in there so ok but you guys

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did all of that he created this so yeah

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I'm proud but now I've got to pay

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attention to it throughout the entire

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show it is incredible what is happening

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so humbled by it and now the

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communication I'm just talking about

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this a second ago the communication

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I am interacting with everybody I don't

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necessarily check my email I might do

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that a couple times a day unless the

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alert comes in I might check all right

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but now I'm a Twitter Facebook Facebook

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I'll jump over there once a day for a

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minute see if there's an emergency or

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any messages I don't even have facebook

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messenger on my phone anymore that

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that's been turned off for for a long

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time so I don't even do that alright it

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is just it's a Twitter world these days

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it really really is all right so you

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know what to do with social media okay

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and now we've got some breaking news it

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was announced today that's right

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opportunity

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last night NASA reached out one final

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time to opportunity that rover on Mars

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which has been chugging along for so

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many years now hoping that it would

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reach out and communicate maybe phone

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home with some good news I'm back I'm

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okay my windshield wipers work since

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June it's been completely unresponsive

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and it's most likely because of a

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planet-wide a sandstorm has covered its

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solar panels with dust and NASA pinged

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it over 1,000 times hoping over the last

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eight months to to get a response

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nothing happened and today nASA has

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dead dead like Momo dead sad - sad and

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the okay let me let me jump in and say

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something last night I brought up the

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new TV series well it's not new 2016

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2017 Mars and we're binging it now and

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it's really really good I don't know

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what episode were on right now seven

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maybe eight number nine somewhere in

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there and they're going through a dust

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storm on Mars and I started to think

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about opportunity when the word was

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coming out and Corby Way said he's got

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some news

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he's about to communicate with us we

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might have Corby on the show tomorrow

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night he's probably listening right now

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would like to get Corby out and I know

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that he was over at JPL when all of this

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was going down and but I started

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thinking last night

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solar panels we have over on our house

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we have solar panels we have solar power

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and what you have to do those solar

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panels is you've got to wash them right

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like window washers you know and they

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come out and they go up there and and

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clean them off well why wouldn't there

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be like windshield wipers on the solar

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panels yeah we all know about the dust

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why isn't there something you know okay

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so the solar panels here why isn't there

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something to go goes ree-ree

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and knocks the dust off where is that

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technology I don't get it I just you

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know you dot you design something like

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that it weights as much as a car you

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know it's a beautiful technology if it

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did it did work for years but why wasn't

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there a wiper clean that stuff off all

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right all right I know it sounds so

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simple now hopefully in the future and

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it's the same thing with isn't there

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like with the ISS or all of the

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satellites that are up there now you

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know if you're up there for 2 3 4 5 10

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15 years at a crack

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aren't you accumulating dust right I

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think so

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so are they cleaning it or do they go

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out to do the astronauts go out I'm not

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making fun here I'm not being cavalier

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do they go out and wipe the solar panels

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that's funny Kevin thank you for that

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yeah I'm serious

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I'm serious it just bums me out

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opportunity was really really cool come

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join us next week for the 2019 conscious

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life Expo right here in Los Angeles at

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the LAX Hilton gotten a lot of texts and

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tweets and email

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over the last week you know excited to

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come and hang out and meet you and stuff

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and it's weird how it's ramping up right

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now but next week today's the 13th next

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week unbelievable February 22nd through

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the 25th at the LAX Hilton and just head

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over to conscious life Expo comm and get

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a full conference schedule right there

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with the correct times by the way and

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Friday night I'll be hosting the ancient

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aliens panel with Erich von Daniken's

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celebrating the 50th anniversary of

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Chariots of the Gods you've got to get

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tickets for that panel in advance

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that's Friday night at 7 p.m. coming up

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after that is contacting the desert that

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is May 31st through June 3rd in Indian

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Wells Palm Springs California tickets

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and info over at contact in the desert

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common when you go over and get your

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don't forget the on Saturday night I'll

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be hosting the awards dinner so you want

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to get your tickets for that at contact

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in the desert calm and then 2019 soul

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tech conference is happening over the

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July 4th weekend at the sunrise ranch in

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Loveland Colorado sign up for tickets

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and info right now at Sol tech gathering

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alright where are we happy birthday to

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today Peter Gabriel Peter Gabriel today

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is 69 Henry Rollins the guy with the

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neck right Henry Rollins today Black

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Stockard Channing one of my favorite

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actresses every year I say happy

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birthday to her today she is 75 and also

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Peter Tork today is 77 okay alright let

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me hit this coffee River Moon

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fade to black blend f2b blend go to

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River moon coffee

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fade to black Plan F to B blend 15% off

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of your order that's your that's your

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promo code you've got to get some of

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this coffee and is the best I cannot

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make it through a show I can't make it

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through a day I can't you know how I get

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out of bed in the morning Rita that's

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how I get out of bed cuz I smell the

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coffee from downstairs oh my god you

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know and once you get that whiff you

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can't you can't go back to sleep you

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can't do it something triggers in your

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body got that fade to black blend coffee

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that's exactly what happens and you need

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to go through that you need to go

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through the addiction that I have

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alright NASA is a good storyteller yes

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thank you so much for that Dan on this

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day in history

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ot D 1633 on this day

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Galileo arrives in Rome to face charges

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of heresy for advocating the Copernican

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theory which said that the Earth

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revolves around the Sun ended up going

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to jail house arrest for the rest of his

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life yeah he had to plead guilty to

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lesser charges the acts

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had that kind of thing back in 1633

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thank you Eric look at that see that's

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what I'm talking about

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Eric's tit in his full fader gears gonna

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get a retweet he wants to be the top

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person in the fader not gallery and you

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know what you keep whipping out pictures

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like that look you know what he looks

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good I like the way the autograph shows

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up on the hat to Eric that's really cool

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but that's not what I see here I see is

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that a coffee is that a French press in

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the background that's what I see I see

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the French press on the countertop in

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the amazing artwork right there is that

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I'm not even gonna say it on the air I

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think that's my poster behind Eric look

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at that okay all right where am I at

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Galileo 16 33 where am I at 16 33

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Galileo Galileo fader fact Elvis

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Presley's manager Colonel Tom Parker

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sold

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I hate Elvis buttons and badges as a way

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to make money off of people at concerts

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that's a true story

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I had heard those rumors when I was a

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kid you know that you could buy I hate

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Elvis buttons because they wanted to

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make money and you know I heard you know

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but it turns out yes it was in deed true

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all right all right tonight right here

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very special guests

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Isaac Arthur we're going to be talking

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about the Fermi paradox we're gonna

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break it all down

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tomorrow night's open lines and we do

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have serene and right Taylor and Douglas

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Taylor here to join us and have a little

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conversation to warm up the show for all

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of you tomorrow night but first I wanted

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to discuss the Fermi paradox tonight

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Isaac Arthur's here and we're going to

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be spending all of our time discussing

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the quest

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right where is everybody where is ZT and

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it's possible answer so that's the

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question the Fermi paradox and it's

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possible answers and there are many

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there's a lot of answers so that we

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don't have to take away from the show

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tonight here's a little historical

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perspective on the on the paradox and

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how it evolved because back in 1950

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while working at the Los Alamos National

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Laboratory firming Fermi had a casual

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conversation while walking to lunch with

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a meal

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kind of cut a Pinsky Edward Teller right

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the physicist at Herbert York the men

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discussed a recent spate of UFO reports

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and Alan and an Allen Dunn cartoon that

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was blaming the disappearance of

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municipal trash cans on aliens all right

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so that's what was going down the

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conversation shifted to other subjects

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until during lunch Fermi suddenly

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exclaimed where are they right where is

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everybody and Teller Edward Teller says

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he remembers that and I'm quoting the

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result of his question was a general

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laughter because of the strange fact

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that in spite of Fermi's question coming

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out from the clear blue everybody around

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the table seemed to understand at once

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that he was talking about

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extraterrestrial life and quote Herbert

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you're Creek recalls that Fermi followed

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up on his comment with a series of

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calculations on the probability of

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earth-like planets the probability of

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life the likely rise in duration of high

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technology etc and concluded that we

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ought to have been visited long ago and

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many times over ok now although Fermi's

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name is most commonly associated with

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the paradox he was not the first ask the

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question an earlier mention was made by

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Costas

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tene CL coughs key all right in an

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unpublished manuscript from 1933 he

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noted people deny the presence of

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intelligent beings on planets of the

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universe because of one if such beings

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exist they would have visited earth and

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- if such civilizations existed they

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would have been giving us some sign of

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their existence and quote this was not a

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paradox you know for others who took

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this - implied that the absent of ETS

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but more that it was for him since he

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himself was a strong believer in

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extraterrestrial life in the possibility

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of space travel therefore and that was

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in 1933

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therefore he proposed what is now known

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as the zoo hypothesis and speculated

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that mankind is not yet ready for higher

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beings to contact us right he himself

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may have not been the first to discover

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the paradox and suggested by his

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above-mentioned reference to others

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reasons for denying the existence of

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extraterrestrial civilizations now

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moving on Michael H Hart published in

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1975 a detailed examination of the

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paradox which seems to have become a

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theoretical reference point for for much

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of the research into what is now

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sometimes known as the fermi heart

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paradox

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well Fermi laid it out in 1950 Hart

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revisited it in depth in 1975 and today

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in 2019 we we know magnitudes more than

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we did in 1995 let alone back in 75 or

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1950 my view of the paradox is not as

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much as where are they as much as why

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are they ET holding back why are they

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holding back or are they see I think

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I think that many many many different

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civilizations are visiting us every

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single day not just one a lot you can go

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out on any given night and see at least

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one strange thing in the sky not a

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satellite or something that's

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explainable I mean at least one strange

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thing that you can explain but where is

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the gigantic mothership not something

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that arrives here on earth and flies

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over New York City and Parks itself I'm

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just talking about like a crazy fly by

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something like something that's the size

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of our Moon look you can go anywhere on

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this planet look up and see the moon

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right there it is for everybody to see

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so what about that something that

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ginormous something that we could

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clearly see you know all the nations of

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the earth you know and see words that

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and just look and go that that that's et

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you know just something just you know a

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fly by just to fly by not not entering

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the atmosphere or not landing not this

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not that take me to your leader I'm just

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talking about just a cruise you know I'm

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gonna hang out there for a little bit

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where is that that's the part of the

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paradox that baffles me and maybe just

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maybe maybe maybe that although we see

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our planet as unique maybe there are

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billions just like ours just like Earth

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maybe even better maybe bigger maybe

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nicer that are you know that are worth

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et's time yeah right but maybe when it

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comes to earth et is like man Earth is

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ok but let's go to Planet Vegas baby you

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know maybe it's like that think about it

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that maybe we're just not that unique

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maybe were just like hey so ok let's say

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that I'm right

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let's say that et many et's know we are

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here and they visit all the time but

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they just kind of leave us alone they're

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not that interested the bigger paradox

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the church paradox is who on this planet

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knows the truth and why are they not

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telling us because that's a paradox and

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that's the bigger question I know any

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skeptic anybody because I was one I know

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that I can take out on any given I take

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out my night vision just go out and and

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look to the Stars look to them and see

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something try I know that we are being

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visited every single day and what I have

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always always suggested very strongly is

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that we are doing the same thing we're

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trying to figure it out we're out there

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looking to the stars we've been

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wondering since day one are we alone in

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the universe that's what we do

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et's got to be doing the same thing

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alright and traveling these fast

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distances forget about the universe just

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inside of our Milky Way takes time take

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a million years to cross the Milky Way a

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million years a million and everything

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gets investigated in between so you

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wouldn't you would do that you know what

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you would do that with with what we are

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seeing in the skies probes things

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cruising collecting data

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splitting not by one civilization by

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thousands because if I can go anywhere

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on any given night and pick a spot on

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this planet pick a spot in my state just

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go out and look and see something that

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means right over my head that means it's

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going on all over the planet you can go

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anywhere so we're being visited by

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thousands thousands of civilizations not

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just one that's just one they all

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communicate

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talk to Isaac about this tonight you

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know an advanced civilization out there

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that is out of crossing the univer are

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in communication with other

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civilizations hey man what have you

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found we found something over here

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00:26:55,930 --> 00:26:55,190
really check this out we found some

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stuff over here

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really all right I'm gonna go visit

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where you just were you go just visit

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where I am here's the coordinates and

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00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:03,740
I'll see you later we'll talk next week

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00:27:08,020 --> 00:27:06,530
alright Ralph our our our I Bob and and

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00:27:10,660 --> 00:27:08,030
the way they go they're all

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00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:10,670
communicating with each other they have

531
00:27:16,510 --> 00:27:13,130
to is the only way to map this thing and

532
00:27:19,090 --> 00:27:16,520
the log all of the information that we

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00:27:21,010 --> 00:27:19,100
have not only with the Stars but with

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00:27:24,460 --> 00:27:21,020
the multiple planets that are with each

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00:27:28,300 --> 00:27:24,470
star we're talking about a hundred

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00:27:29,910 --> 00:27:28,310
billion we're talking about if you if

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00:27:32,770 --> 00:27:29,920
you really stop and think about this

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00:27:35,140 --> 00:27:32,780
maybe five hundred billion stars or

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00:27:37,390 --> 00:27:35,150
planets that's what we're dealing with

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00:27:39,580 --> 00:27:37,400
today it's absolutely incredible

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this is fade to black I am your host Amy

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Church our guest tonight is Isaac Arthur

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we're discussing the Fermi paradox and

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we are gonna go top to bottom all right

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fade to black on the game changer

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Network in kg ra the planet arm you'll

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Institute of Technology in Dayton Ohio

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and I would like to welcome back to fade

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to black coming off of a back-to-back

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for our appearance Sunday night on coast

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to coast am Isaac Arthur Isaac you're a

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rock star these days my friend Thank You

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Jimmy

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I got it seems like been so long since

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we last talked I think I'm gonna have to

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start going through your agent soon to

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get a hold of you but you know the thing

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is with the sharing of your information

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and and how you do it I want to thank

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you for that because it is so digestible

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I keeps using that word with you but

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technical and for most people if they

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don't get it they just tune out but I

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don't do that with you so I want to

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thank you where did you where did you

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come up with the concepts to to get

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could all figure something out well

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that's the funniest way it got started

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was I was just kind of doing as a hobby

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talking a bunch of all

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Arthur's and oldest who will walk yon

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science fiction I was complaining about

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won't lady learn new ideas so I've been

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throwing some ideas out there and I just

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one day compiled an episode of various

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concepts to look at and what the size

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behind them was and somehow that mutated

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into a channel so four years later here

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we are now I didn't ask you this the

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other night I'm gonna do it now I'm

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gonna go right there the Air Force

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Institute of Technology in Dayton Ohio

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oh yeah all right are you a man in black

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you know we go in a completely

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windowless bunk over play sat on a place

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where I was researching at and but I

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hate to say we really had nothing

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interesting going on I mean I thought it

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was interesting but we have wonder why

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is this building got no windows in it

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and I said because we used to store film

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here and now we do laser experiments but

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I hate to say it was a fairly boy and I

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was just an intern helping out I was 19

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at the time so no secrets did you accept

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that explanation for a windowless

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building come on Arthur well I kind of

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had to cuz I got to see everything was

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going on inside the place and we did

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actually have some old film I don't what

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film for that age that stuff was

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flammable

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now that was yet totally still is by the

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way completely flammable but Isaac was

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this on base was this at wright-patt oh

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yeah I was 145 building one photos right

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by the main facility there's there's a

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larger building for the main campus of

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the Air Force Institute but some selling

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Saudis Emil just up the road from the

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museum which was if you've never been a

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big museum I have yes I have I've been

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there many times I've been there many

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times one of the one of the great wealth

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certainly for for planes for aircraft

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but one of the great museums period in

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this country is is right there at Dayton

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now okay but there is I've talked to a

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lot of people that have worked at the

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base and they all say that the running

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joke around the bases you know have you

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seen have you seen et

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have you seen the bodies and they joke

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about it did

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did you hear references to to aliens at

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wright-patt oh yeah it was a fairly

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common joke at that time because I think

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if and I have to double check my memory

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on this one but I believe they had said

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they'd moved much of the stuff up from

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area 51 today at that time and there was

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one of the buildings ever when it fly

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dislocation and if there was anything

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going on there I know nothing about it

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but it was it was quite a joke at the

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time and there was obviously a lot of

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secretly so what's going on there but I

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wasn't too involved in anything

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interesting in that go okay okay okay

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but I'm sure that you accept this

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statement where there is smoke there's

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fire

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usually speaker then I mean it was

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certainly there was a lot of secretly so

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what's going on there but you know I

762
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wasn't involved with it so I just can't

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do more than speculate so are you

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squirming in your seat right now are you

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uncomfortable would have to be men you

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worked at the Air Force Institute of

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Technology at wright-patt where they

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have all the alien secrets you write

769
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about this you make videos about these

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subjects so I've got to you know for it

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for my audience I have to do the right

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thing and and just just wonder if there

773
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:50,890
is a connection here it is teased

774
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sometimes that because after people come

775
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:54,820
by this was before 9/11 this was in 2000

776
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so Billy there's a lot more openness the

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base and people would come by asking

778
00:39:02,100 --> 00:39:00,190
questions what was inside you know the

779
00:39:03,660 --> 00:39:02,110
putting custard out and you could not

780
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:03,670
tease people a little bit because

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00:39:07,530 --> 00:39:05,920
obviously had quite the the non-american

782
00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:07,540
sounding voice the time so as woman what

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00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:08,710
are you doing there with you're not in

784
00:39:12,900 --> 00:39:11,050
uniform because I was civilian and don't

785
00:39:15,780 --> 00:39:12,910
sound like you from this area mm-hmm

786
00:39:16,860 --> 00:39:15,790
but no I mean if it's it was I would say

787
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:16,870
if again if you haven't been in that

788
00:39:22,530 --> 00:39:19,330
museum it's amazing and my past and I

789
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:22,540
obviously max army so I always reserved

790
00:39:25,590 --> 00:39:24,250
the Air Force's really nice spaces but

791
00:39:27,540 --> 00:39:25,600
it's just a gorgeous campus then

792
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everybody walked with was wonderful

793
00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:29,590
guys they were their spare time they

794
00:39:34,110 --> 00:39:31,510
will fighter pilots scientists and

795
00:39:37,470 --> 00:39:34,120
trying out for NASA so it's it's a

796
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ginormous base most people you know it's

797
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:39,340
in Ohio you know it's a date and it

798
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doesn't make you know Cincinnati Dayton

799
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:44,430
it most people wouldn't think about the

800
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airforce having a base there they do and

801
00:39:54,829 --> 00:39:50,670
not only is it there but it is huge that

802
00:39:56,180 --> 00:39:54,839
is a big big piece of property well of

803
00:39:58,010 --> 00:39:56,190
course all of us in Ohio always a little

804
00:40:00,530 --> 00:39:58,020
bit smug about although in the aerospace

805
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Todd mines you like light pass and

806
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obviously being a reference to the

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Wright brothers and home for John Glenn

808
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Daniel Armstrong folks like that so

809
00:40:11,390 --> 00:40:09,150
we've always been very happy to host the

810
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very large Air Force Base they are for

811
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both patriotic patriotic and economic

812
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reasons

813
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:17,520
now what about okay last question about

814
00:40:23,630 --> 00:40:19,770
right Pat did you uh did you ever see

815
00:40:25,339 --> 00:40:23,640
hangar 18 I think I remember hearing

816
00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:25,349
about it but I don't recall if I don't

817
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:28,800
see no not so you're playing the

818
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:37,200
politician I do not recall that's the

819
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:38,970
first thing if I'm working there I'm

820
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:41,280
going okay where are the bodies where's

821
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:45,450
hangar 18 I mean that was very brand-new

822
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:47,010
it was the you know the late 90s or

823
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:48,720
2000s was just when folks were starting

824
00:40:52,070 --> 00:40:49,920
to think that that had been wish nothing

825
00:40:53,839 --> 00:40:52,080
been moved to so you know you were just

826
00:40:55,099 --> 00:40:53,849
catching the edge of that so yeah very

827
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:55,109
interesting that they were making

828
00:41:00,349 --> 00:40:57,410
references to area 51 about that too

829
00:41:02,270 --> 00:41:00,359
well whether it's joking or not right

830
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:02,280
now we don't have we moved it all over

831
00:41:08,690 --> 00:41:05,970
to a Nevada well you know it's for us

832
00:41:10,700 --> 00:41:08,700
conspiracy guys that's so simple see

833
00:41:12,260 --> 00:41:10,710
that's what I'm on about right there

834
00:41:14,450 --> 00:41:12,270
they're cracking jokes but they're

835
00:41:16,609 --> 00:41:14,460
trying to run the smokescreen on us man

836
00:41:18,380 --> 00:41:16,619
it's not really a joke and they're

837
00:41:20,270 --> 00:41:18,390
trying to deflect you know that's what

838
00:41:21,500 --> 00:41:20,280
we do it's it's the nature of the

839
00:41:23,900 --> 00:41:21,510
business in this community

840
00:41:25,550 --> 00:41:23,910
oh and so if there was anything going on

841
00:41:27,500 --> 00:41:25,560
they oh and I'm not gonna say there is

842
00:41:28,579 --> 00:41:27,510
it was I just don't know because I mean

843
00:41:29,570 --> 00:41:28,589
they wouldn't be telling you think it's

844
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:29,580
like that anyway and of course if I

845
00:41:33,620 --> 00:41:31,050
didn't know I wouldn't say anything you

846
00:41:35,060 --> 00:41:33,630
know what I have said after the show

847
00:41:37,339 --> 00:41:35,070
tonight they're gonna call you up and go

848
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:37,349
good job man that was good deflecting

849
00:41:43,339 --> 00:41:39,690
and you're gonna go yeah did I do good

850
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:43,349
Oh according to plan

851
00:41:48,079 --> 00:41:45,599
all right let's let's get started here

852
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:48,089
we've got a lot to discuss tonight it is

853
00:41:54,050 --> 00:41:50,970
going to be a very thick show with

854
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:54,060
information and I want to start off here

855
00:41:59,700 --> 00:41:56,530
with

856
00:42:02,010 --> 00:41:59,710
the Fermi paradox okay all right and

857
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:02,020
then and then we're gonna take off but

858
00:42:08,279 --> 00:42:04,930
this is the Fermi paradox that there are

859
00:42:11,970 --> 00:42:08,289
500 billion stars in our Milky Way with

860
00:42:14,940 --> 00:42:11,980
over 500 billion planets billions of

861
00:42:18,180 --> 00:42:14,950
which are earth-like and possibly have

862
00:42:21,859 --> 00:42:18,190
intelligent life and there could be 1

863
00:42:24,089 --> 00:42:21,869
trillion galaxies in our universe so

864
00:42:27,150 --> 00:42:24,099
where is everybody

865
00:42:30,510 --> 00:42:27,160
that's the Fermi paradox the church

866
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:30,520
version that's my update my 2019 update

867
00:42:37,500 --> 00:42:34,480
to the Fermi paradox and now we have the

868
00:42:44,220 --> 00:42:37,510
question which is laid out there and we

869
00:42:46,319 --> 00:42:44,230
have a 2000 answers that we are going

870
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:46,329
the ones that have been explored the

871
00:42:51,870 --> 00:42:49,359
most that you do too as well Isaac and

872
00:42:54,510 --> 00:42:51,880
we're gonna explore each one of these

873
00:42:58,680 --> 00:42:54,520
answers I'm gonna give you the answer

874
00:43:01,230 --> 00:42:58,690
and then you are going to expand on it

875
00:43:03,269 --> 00:43:01,240
all right are you ready to go let's go

876
00:43:04,740 --> 00:43:03,279
man this is so in your wheelhouse you're

877
00:43:08,579 --> 00:43:04,750
like this is gonna be the easiest show

878
00:43:11,069 --> 00:43:08,589
I've ever done this is how US you're a

879
00:43:13,529 --> 00:43:11,079
seer SATs right here you've got a cheat

880
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:13,539
sheet but let's let's that so let's

881
00:43:19,529 --> 00:43:16,450
break this down where is everybody well

882
00:43:23,519 --> 00:43:19,539
ok let's go to answer number 1 which you

883
00:43:27,230 --> 00:43:23,529
explore really really well and it's the

884
00:43:29,819 --> 00:43:27,240
best foundation to start which is that

885
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:29,829
extraterrestrial life is rare or

886
00:43:36,420 --> 00:43:34,720
non-existent I would say the usual

887
00:43:38,130 --> 00:43:36,430
approach on this is to say you know

888
00:43:39,809 --> 00:43:38,140
based on the hall conjecture which is

889
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:39,819
kind with a form a paradox got started

890
00:43:43,500 --> 00:43:42,010
if you've got life and if you can get

891
00:43:45,630 --> 00:43:43,510
out there and settle the stars and

892
00:43:48,029 --> 00:43:45,640
galaxies it should be virtually

893
00:43:50,789 --> 00:43:48,039
impossible not to find aliens because

894
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:50,799
they should be everywhere not just they

895
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:52,210
usually have a bunch of plants with them

896
00:43:56,430 --> 00:43:53,770
but they should have a Starbucks on the

897
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:56,440
moon by now and so if things do get out

898
00:43:59,460 --> 00:43:57,970
there and expand which is what

899
00:44:01,289 --> 00:43:59,470
biologically evolved life should

900
00:44:03,329 --> 00:44:01,299
generally tend to do if it's possible

901
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:03,339
travel out to the Stahl's issue be

902
00:44:06,750 --> 00:44:04,690
impossible to miss them

903
00:44:09,460 --> 00:44:06,760
and this is the basic notion so we don't

904
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:09,470
see that anywhere it only takes one

905
00:44:12,850 --> 00:44:11,090
the folks were on the scene you know if

906
00:44:14,410 --> 00:44:12,860
humanity hadn't evolved for something

907
00:44:16,660 --> 00:44:14,420
should come along after us and have done

908
00:44:18,910 --> 00:44:16,670
the same job one way or another the

909
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:18,920
space fills up and that's basically the

910
00:44:23,350 --> 00:44:21,920
reason behind the idea that we would say

911
00:44:25,090 --> 00:44:23,360
life is very rare

912
00:44:27,100 --> 00:44:25,100
or at least intelligent life is very

913
00:44:29,110 --> 00:44:27,110
rare in the universe because we don't

914
00:44:32,110 --> 00:44:29,120
see that and almost every solution after

915
00:44:35,050 --> 00:44:32,120
that has to base itself on either a why

916
00:44:37,210 --> 00:44:35,060
we don't see them B why we can't see

917
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:37,220
them or they don't expand outward or see

918
00:44:40,570 --> 00:44:39,170
that we do see them all the time of

919
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:40,580
course and we just can't convince

920
00:44:46,750 --> 00:44:43,010
ourselves they're true and we're I have

921
00:44:51,130 --> 00:44:46,760
problems with this answer is if you look

922
00:44:56,500 --> 00:44:51,140
at earth we can't stop life here right

923
00:44:59,830 --> 00:44:56,510
you can't stop it it continued you burn

924
00:45:02,410 --> 00:44:59,840
down burn down a forest down to Carbon

925
00:45:04,570 --> 00:45:02,420
down to charcoal I've come littering the

926
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:04,580
ground but we literally have types of

927
00:45:11,050 --> 00:45:06,890
trees that manage to paly themselves by

928
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:11,060
being toasted that's what you cannot

929
00:45:15,460 --> 00:45:13,610
stop life here you can do whatever you

930
00:45:17,770 --> 00:45:15,470
want you could choke out ozone

931
00:45:21,070 --> 00:45:17,780
everything else and a couple years later

932
00:45:24,700 --> 00:45:21,080
Ozone's back life is back choke the

933
00:45:28,180 --> 00:45:24,710
oxygen out of the oceans you know give a

934
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:28,190
dead pond a stagnant whatever you know

935
00:45:33,370 --> 00:45:30,560
one season and then you're fishing there

936
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:33,380
a year later you know you can't stop

937
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:36,290
life on this planet why would it be any

938
00:45:42,910 --> 00:45:38,690
different forget about intelligent life

939
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:42,920
sentient life but just microbial life

940
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:45,850
you would think that it is absolutely

941
00:45:51,790 --> 00:45:48,880
everywhere on anything that is is

942
00:45:54,370 --> 00:45:51,800
resembling a rocky planet well that's

943
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:54,380
the base of the the core Vale hypothesis

944
00:45:57,940 --> 00:45:56,330
that just says life is poly availabe cuz

945
00:45:59,890 --> 00:45:57,950
there was one thing life does better

946
00:46:02,620 --> 00:45:59,900
than anything else it is a machine that

947
00:46:05,650 --> 00:46:02,630
once it's in place folks it's all of its

948
00:46:07,570 --> 00:46:05,660
effort for millions of years on going to

949
00:46:09,460 --> 00:46:07,580
be better at surviving right it is the

950
00:46:11,950 --> 00:46:09,470
survival machine that is literally the

951
00:46:12,610 --> 00:46:11,960
definition of life so any place that

952
00:46:14,530 --> 00:46:12,620
pops up

953
00:46:16,090 --> 00:46:14,540
unless there's something truly whole

954
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:16,100
what happens that that water gets

955
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:17,330
smacked by another one or something like

956
00:46:21,130 --> 00:46:20,240
that it should still be there and every

957
00:46:22,620 --> 00:46:21,140
year should be getting better and better

958
00:46:24,890 --> 00:46:22,630
at surviving

959
00:46:26,789 --> 00:46:24,900
so I know it has to be that either

960
00:46:28,229 --> 00:46:26,799
intelligence doesn't evolve from that

961
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:28,239
very much which has some reason behind

962
00:46:34,019 --> 00:46:31,210
it or they just almost never get started

963
00:46:35,609 --> 00:46:34,029
in the first place and that is very hard

964
00:46:36,900 --> 00:46:35,619
for a lot of us to swallow because it

965
00:46:40,859 --> 00:46:36,910
just doesn't seem like that should be

966
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:40,869
the way it is yeah life it is so strange

967
00:46:46,589 --> 00:46:43,930
the one thing let me tell you when I say

968
00:46:49,279 --> 00:46:46,599
you can't stop life okay one of the most

969
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:49,289
horrific thoughts you can have is

970
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:52,210
cannibalism right that's the one thing

971
00:46:56,549 --> 00:46:54,400
if somebody says oh man that's that's

972
00:46:58,739 --> 00:46:56,559
this poor tastes pretty good that's not

973
00:46:59,789 --> 00:46:58,749
pork man that's that's monkey you're

974
00:47:02,279 --> 00:46:59,799
gonna throw up

975
00:47:07,130 --> 00:47:02,289
your brain triggers right your brain

976
00:47:11,609 --> 00:47:07,140
triggers it's like but if you're hungry

977
00:47:13,529 --> 00:47:11,619
you're gonna eat your own arm right you

978
00:47:17,339 --> 00:47:13,539
will do whatever it takes to survive

979
00:47:21,359 --> 00:47:17,349
life is is is something you cannot stop

980
00:47:22,979 --> 00:47:21,369
on this planet so to have this as answer

981
00:47:25,319 --> 00:47:22,989
number one which is the first go to

982
00:47:26,579 --> 00:47:25,329
right an extraterrestrial life is either

983
00:47:28,289 --> 00:47:26,589
rare or non-existent

984
00:47:31,410 --> 00:47:28,299
I can almost scratch that one off the

985
00:47:33,450 --> 00:47:31,420
list a lot of I mean that's the biggest

986
00:47:35,339 --> 00:47:33,460
source of problem with us when we simmer

987
00:47:36,749 --> 00:47:35,349
the formu paradox almost all the

988
00:47:38,789 --> 00:47:36,759
reasoning is based off the assumption

989
00:47:40,650 --> 00:47:38,799
that it must be really common for life

990
00:47:42,569 --> 00:47:40,660
to pop up we don't know how come and

991
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:42,579
maybe once every few thousand plants

992
00:47:47,729 --> 00:47:44,890
maybe every solar system and more than

993
00:47:50,249 --> 00:47:47,739
once but right but most people just tend

994
00:47:52,229 --> 00:47:50,259
to feel a biogenesis that 4slice bulk

995
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:52,239
must happen pretty often

996
00:47:55,950 --> 00:47:54,130
problem is we don't actually have any

997
00:47:57,509 --> 00:47:55,960
data to back that up it's just we all

998
00:47:59,630 --> 00:47:57,519
kind of feel like that should be true

999
00:48:01,680 --> 00:47:59,640
and almost every other Fermi paradox

1000
00:48:04,559 --> 00:48:01,690
hypothesis is kind of based off that

1001
00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:04,569
assumption now let's go to answer number

1002
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:08,079
two okay question is so where is

1003
00:48:15,979 --> 00:48:11,890
everybody where is et and the answer no

1004
00:48:19,559 --> 00:48:15,989
other intelligent species have arisen

1005
00:48:22,289 --> 00:48:19,569
now I need you to respond to that as

1006
00:48:24,029 --> 00:48:22,299
directly as you can now there does have

1007
00:48:25,890 --> 00:48:24,039
to be a second cavion that when we say

1008
00:48:28,109 --> 00:48:25,900
no other intelligent species has arisen

1009
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:28,119
we always want to say that modification

1010
00:48:32,999 --> 00:48:30,400
on that is no other technological

1011
00:48:34,979 --> 00:48:33,009
civilization has arisen and not died off

1012
00:48:36,310 --> 00:48:34,989
because it could be that the entire

1013
00:48:39,220 --> 00:48:36,320
galaxy is cover

1014
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:39,230
in cavemen we spent on New Year's going

1015
00:48:43,210 --> 00:48:41,210
from file before we actually all about

1016
00:48:45,070 --> 00:48:43,220
doing pottery on your medal walk and

1017
00:48:47,140 --> 00:48:45,080
then we wrote your space fairly soon

1018
00:48:48,970 --> 00:48:47,150
thereafter right 1% of the time it took

1019
00:48:51,460 --> 00:48:48,980
us to go from file to meta walking and

1020
00:48:54,070 --> 00:48:51,470
pottery right is how I stick that's to

1021
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:54,080
go from those to the moon right so it

1022
00:48:57,220 --> 00:48:55,850
could be that the galaxy is covered in

1023
00:48:59,140 --> 00:48:57,230
places where they just didn't get much

1024
00:49:01,390 --> 00:48:59,150
into technology and we have historical

1025
00:49:04,450 --> 00:49:01,400
precedent of that happening too I do not

1026
00:49:06,340 --> 00:49:04,460
like that answer but there's no evidence

1027
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:06,350
to counterindicated either you know so

1028
00:49:10,780 --> 00:49:07,850
Metis for me paradox things they all

1029
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:10,790
have something not light with them so

1030
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:13,010
well and I'll give you okay now here's

1031
00:49:17,470 --> 00:49:15,650
my example one that you've touched on to

1032
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:17,480
over the last couple of years it's a

1033
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:21,050
very simple one it was announced last

1034
00:49:30,100 --> 00:49:27,170
year last summer that octopus octopi are

1035
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:30,110
in alien species right that they are

1036
00:49:33,610 --> 00:49:32,090
unique onto this planet they're into

1037
00:49:35,950 --> 00:49:33,620
they're sentient they're intelligent

1038
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:35,960
they they they have everything that we

1039
00:49:39,250 --> 00:49:37,760
have they're probably smarter than us

1040
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:39,260
but they're not like anything else on

1041
00:49:44,290 --> 00:49:41,690
this planet therefore they must have

1042
00:49:46,750 --> 00:49:44,300
been brought here from somewhere else

1043
00:49:51,310 --> 00:49:46,760
and now the reason why I bring that up

1044
00:49:53,620 --> 00:49:51,320
is and and look at like Europa for

1045
00:49:55,930 --> 00:49:53,630
instance or you know one of the

1046
00:49:58,420 --> 00:49:55,940
jupiter's moons where there could be

1047
00:50:00,610 --> 00:49:58,430
life there maybe even intelligent life

1048
00:50:07,180 --> 00:50:00,620
but it's underwater well if you're

1049
00:50:08,740 --> 00:50:07,190
underwater what do you lack fire come up

1050
00:50:10,270 --> 00:50:08,750
with some really strange to know I was

1051
00:50:12,670 --> 00:50:10,280
reading a whole episode on that with

1052
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:12,680
with my friend Sean on uplifting you

1053
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:13,850
know how you might have to go and help

1054
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:15,170
these speech down because you might come

1055
00:50:19,810 --> 00:50:17,570
across a technological civilization that

1056
00:50:21,790 --> 00:50:19,820
lives under the water they can use tools

1057
00:50:23,950 --> 00:50:21,800
but you really can't do chemistry or

1058
00:50:26,410 --> 00:50:23,960
fire or metallurgy they are and if it

1059
00:50:28,300 --> 00:50:26,420
took us a million years using file

1060
00:50:31,210 --> 00:50:28,310
regularly to come with the idea of

1061
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:31,220
making pots and pans and knives how long

1062
00:50:35,260 --> 00:50:32,240
does it take you to do that when you

1063
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:35,270
can't start a file so if we can't roll

1064
00:50:39,010 --> 00:50:37,040
out that you might get into space one

1065
00:50:41,130 --> 00:50:39,020
day if you will live in an ocean but if

1066
00:50:43,330 --> 00:50:41,140
you're living in a subsurface ocean -

1067
00:50:44,410 --> 00:50:43,340
you don't have any place to go up to the

1068
00:50:46,060 --> 00:50:44,420
MU oppa

1069
00:50:47,290 --> 00:50:46,070
there was no ale up there - born a file

1070
00:50:47,830 --> 00:50:47,300
if you'd actually do go up to the

1071
00:50:49,690 --> 00:50:47,840
surface

1072
00:50:50,140 --> 00:50:49,700
and there's just radiation all over the

1073
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:50,150
place

1074
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:51,770
you're not going to be able to look up

1075
00:50:55,930 --> 00:50:53,330
at the night sky cuz it's a big empty

1076
00:50:57,790 --> 00:50:55,940
ice ball above you and so places like

1077
00:51:00,190 --> 00:50:57,800
that they could have intelligent life on

1078
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:00,200
them for millions or billions of years

1079
00:51:04,270 --> 00:51:02,810
it just sticks that way but the one

1080
00:51:06,310 --> 00:51:04,280
thing they use do have going against

1081
00:51:08,170 --> 00:51:06,320
them is there's not much energy flow and

1082
00:51:11,020 --> 00:51:08,180
the big thing you need for a really

1083
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:11,030
complex and diverse ecology is a lot of

1084
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:12,800
energy flow and most of those places

1085
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:15,050
will not have it so they might have life

1086
00:51:19,930 --> 00:51:17,210
but it might be kept fairly simple to

1087
00:51:22,930 --> 00:51:19,940
could you imagine you know being smart

1088
00:51:29,110 --> 00:51:22,940
like an octopus but being underwater so

1089
00:51:35,380 --> 00:51:29,120
that means no no no bongs no cigarettes

1090
00:51:36,940 --> 00:51:35,390
no hot food right there God is chemical

1091
00:51:39,940 --> 00:51:36,950
thermal events but maybe they'll figure

1092
00:51:42,460 --> 00:51:39,950
out some way to use those ah you could

1093
00:51:45,370 --> 00:51:42,470
light your one-hit bong off a thermal

1094
00:51:47,050 --> 00:51:45,380
vent that's possible it's possible

1095
00:51:50,530 --> 00:51:47,060
you're supposed to laugh at that point

1096
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:50,540
Isaac that's these are good jokes these

1097
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:51,680
are good jokes all right let's go to

1098
00:52:00,340 --> 00:51:55,610
answer number three okay so where is

1099
00:52:03,820 --> 00:52:00,350
everybody where is et answer intelligent

1100
00:52:06,270 --> 00:52:03,830
alien species lack advanced technology

1101
00:52:08,830 --> 00:52:06,280
we just touched upon this as a subgroup

1102
00:52:10,900 --> 00:52:08,840
but this is something that needs to be

1103
00:52:13,690 --> 00:52:10,910
visited and it reminds me of the movie

1104
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:13,700
it's hard to be a god I don't know if

1105
00:52:19,570 --> 00:52:16,010
you've seen it but it's an incredible

1106
00:52:21,060 --> 00:52:19,580
movie a Russian movie about us visiting

1107
00:52:24,370 --> 00:52:21,070
another planet

1108
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:24,380
humans look just like us but they're

1109
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:26,930
stuck in the dark ages and they're happy

1110
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:28,720
about that they don't want to learn

1111
00:52:33,790 --> 00:52:31,570
they're okay about being right there

1112
00:52:35,350 --> 00:52:33,800
well it's contemplations of that that

1113
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:35,360
give us things like the Star Trek prime

1114
00:52:39,010 --> 00:52:36,800
directive and one of our more popular

1115
00:52:41,890 --> 00:52:39,020
categories for the Fermi paradox the zoo

1116
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:41,900
hypothesis and back to the uplifting

1117
00:52:45,460 --> 00:52:43,370
thing for a moment if you come across a

1118
00:52:47,020 --> 00:52:45,470
species you've got three basic ways that

1119
00:52:49,330 --> 00:52:47,030
you could lift them up as a war to our

1120
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:49,340
level purely technological would be like

1121
00:52:52,540 --> 00:52:51,200
you meet cavemen they got the brains and

1122
00:52:54,940 --> 00:52:52,550
the physiology for it you're just given

1123
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:54,950
the knowledge physiological which is

1124
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:56,570
like dolphins they don't have opposable

1125
00:53:00,550 --> 00:52:58,160
thumb so you might have to give them to

1126
00:53:02,410 --> 00:53:00,560
them and neurological which might be

1127
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:02,420
something like you know you come across

1128
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:03,290
some crab

1129
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:04,730
and you make them small enough that they

1130
00:53:08,740 --> 00:53:07,130
can use technology and then of course

1131
00:53:10,750 --> 00:53:08,750
there's always that ethics thing is what

1132
00:53:12,790 --> 00:53:10,760
do you do and where's the line I think a

1133
00:53:15,340 --> 00:53:12,800
lot of us would say that if you came

1134
00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:15,350
across a species that was trapped on a

1135
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:19,040
subsurface ocean like Europa it's maybe

1136
00:53:21,850 --> 00:53:20,330
you should leave them be but the same

1137
00:53:22,990 --> 00:53:21,860
hand they've kind of stuck they on and

1138
00:53:25,690 --> 00:53:23,000
if you know they've been stuck there for

1139
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:25,700
a million years maybe you should just go

1140
00:53:29,290 --> 00:53:27,290
ahead and make contact with them and

1141
00:53:30,910 --> 00:53:29,300
give them technology because it would

1142
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:30,920
seem like such ashamedly them trapped

1143
00:53:37,390 --> 00:53:33,050
there forever what kind of technology do

1144
00:53:39,190 --> 00:53:37,400
you throw them a pack of matches I know

1145
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:39,200
that's what I'm saying what what kind of

1146
00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:40,960
what would you what would you suggest

1147
00:53:45,370 --> 00:53:43,520
well I'm trying to think you know we

1148
00:53:47,530 --> 00:53:45,380
invented torches that would walk onto

1149
00:53:48,580 --> 00:53:47,540
water back in what war one I think but

1150
00:53:50,830 --> 00:53:48,590
so there are things you can use

1151
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:50,840
underwater you can create oxygen under

1152
00:53:54,940 --> 00:53:52,160
there obviously because it's mostly

1153
00:53:56,770 --> 00:53:54,950
oxygen biomass but you have to give them

1154
00:53:59,050 --> 00:53:56,780
you know you can invent this technology

1155
00:54:01,120 --> 00:53:59,060
they owe in theory but it's much easier

1156
00:54:03,250 --> 00:54:01,130
to invent but you actually have a file

1157
00:54:04,570 --> 00:54:03,260
walking me easily in the first place so

1158
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:04,580
you'd probably introduce technologies

1159
00:54:07,930 --> 00:54:06,170
that were designed to walk underwater

1160
00:54:10,030 --> 00:54:07,940
which is actually quite difficult course

1161
00:54:11,770 --> 00:54:10,040
but not only to have them underwater

1162
00:54:13,870 --> 00:54:11,780
like a submarine is but actually have

1163
00:54:15,730 --> 00:54:13,880
them underwater and exposed and

1164
00:54:18,370 --> 00:54:15,740
obviously salt water for instance saws

1165
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:18,380
horrible things to - most electronics

1166
00:54:21,940 --> 00:54:20,210
but it should be possible to build and

1167
00:54:23,110 --> 00:54:21,950
manufacture stuff that would walk under

1168
00:54:25,210 --> 00:54:23,120
there that we could show them how to

1169
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:25,220
make and refine and do on their own

1170
00:54:31,780 --> 00:54:29,570
now what about Arthur C Clark's you know

1171
00:54:34,570 --> 00:54:31,790
approach to this where you know let's

1172
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:34,580
say you and I land on the planet I

1173
00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:36,530
always say you and I because you know

1174
00:54:41,950 --> 00:54:39,200
it's the smart guy and the dumb guy you

1175
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:41,960
and I land on the planet and we run into

1176
00:54:48,910 --> 00:54:46,130
a species like Australopithecus right or

1177
00:54:51,550 --> 00:54:48,920
you know just something that is right on

1178
00:54:55,180 --> 00:54:51,560
the cusp of some kind of evolutionary

1179
00:54:58,690 --> 00:54:55,190
move do we drop a monolith yes yeah do

1180
00:55:03,280 --> 00:54:58,700
we drop a monolith or or radically

1181
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:03,290
change them I myself would favor doing

1182
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:05,930
so because you know the alternative is

1183
00:55:10,270 --> 00:55:08,330
to quarantine that plan off of everybody

1184
00:55:12,910 --> 00:55:10,280
else for millions of years

1185
00:55:16,390 --> 00:55:12,920
so you splint do you split do you drop

1186
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:16,400
it off and go no I'd land they owe and

1187
00:55:18,350 --> 00:55:17,040
talk to

1188
00:55:20,090 --> 00:55:18,360
well I wouldn't land they won't talk

1189
00:55:21,860 --> 00:55:20,100
them as a human I'd I'd take some time

1190
00:55:23,690 --> 00:55:21,870
to learn about them papi mock up some

1191
00:55:24,890 --> 00:55:23,700
androids that looked more like them and

1192
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:24,900
could toss them in their own tongue and

1193
00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:27,090
just try to introduce themselves without

1194
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:29,250
playing God but something that backs you

1195
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:31,890
into a corner ethically but you know

1196
00:55:35,660 --> 00:55:33,810
they're small enough to be Oh to calm

1197
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:35,670
you know contemplate abstract concepts

1198
00:55:38,900 --> 00:55:37,440
that could lead to technology I feel

1199
00:55:40,750 --> 00:55:38,910
like it they're probably small enough to

1200
00:55:45,980 --> 00:55:40,760
try to have a conversation with and

1201
00:55:50,860 --> 00:55:45,990
let's let's suppose something else let's

1202
00:55:53,780 --> 00:55:50,870
suppose that we dropped it off and

1203
00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:53,790
allowed them no communication no direct

1204
00:55:59,600 --> 00:55:56,250
anything the monolith type of idea right

1205
00:56:02,690 --> 00:55:59,610
whether now they just they either get it

1206
00:56:05,420 --> 00:56:02,700
or they don't but we split and we come

1207
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:05,430
back in a thousand years and see where

1208
00:56:11,090 --> 00:56:07,890
what they did with it and then maybe

1209
00:56:13,250 --> 00:56:11,100
help them again if they didn't quite get

1210
00:56:15,980 --> 00:56:13,260
it isn't that a more logical approach

1211
00:56:17,690 --> 00:56:15,990
because now you're not interfering only

1212
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:17,700
on forced inspection this is where the

1213
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:19,680
real problem gets in here is in that

1214
00:56:23,870 --> 00:56:21,930
thousand years how have you kept anybody

1215
00:56:25,730 --> 00:56:23,880
else when come in poking around you know

1216
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:25,740
I know when I get there my motors all

1217
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:28,530
probably reasonably pure ish I don't

1218
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:29,490
know who's gonna show up in the meantime

1219
00:56:34,430 --> 00:56:32,400
try some glass beads or play God or even

1220
00:56:37,610 --> 00:56:34,440
just try to upload them too fast so they

1221
00:56:39,710 --> 00:56:37,620
blow themselves up and what about okay

1222
00:56:41,630 --> 00:56:39,720
and that what could also happen those

1223
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:41,640
thousand years is you come back and

1224
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:44,610
they've been enslaved or you come back

1225
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:45,810
but you can't come back because you've

1226
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:50,970
been defunded yes yes have you seen have

1227
00:56:58,100 --> 00:56:54,930
you seen Mars the the Ron Howard produce

1228
00:57:00,320 --> 00:56:58,110
TV series on Angie oh I've got part of

1229
00:57:03,350 --> 00:57:00,330
it but I'm and I'm loyal I now at the

1230
00:57:05,720 --> 00:57:03,360
Andy wheel Phil okay all right yeah fair

1231
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:05,730
enough that that's that's fair but check

1232
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:08,880
out Mars because one of the things that

1233
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:10,290
they do they deal with today's

1234
00:57:16,250 --> 00:57:12,480
technology Elon Musk and they shoe it

1235
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:16,260
shoot a documentary style for present

1236
00:57:20,750 --> 00:57:18,210
day but then they go to you know twenty

1237
00:57:22,730 --> 00:57:20,760
thirty three and you know getting to

1238
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:22,740
Mars but they go through all of those

1239
00:57:29,690 --> 00:57:26,370
funding D funding issues it's pretty

1240
00:57:30,370 --> 00:57:29,700
realistic no aliens no laser cannons you

1241
00:57:32,710 --> 00:57:30,380
know there's

1242
00:57:35,110 --> 00:57:32,720
nothing like that it is purely a

1243
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:35,120
day-to-day existence of survival on Mars

1244
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:38,210
but it's very very interesting and it

1245
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:40,970
makes me wonder if those writers haven't

1246
00:57:46,390 --> 00:57:44,000
been peeping out science and futurism

1247
00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:46,400
was a cart because it's all right there

1248
00:57:51,490 --> 00:57:49,040
let's take a break Isaac let's do it

1249
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:51,500
right here this is fade to black I'm

1250
00:57:55,300 --> 00:57:52,730
yours Jimmy cherish our guest tonight

1251
00:57:59,020 --> 00:57:55,310
Isaac Arthur this is the Fermi paradox

1252
00:58:01,450 --> 00:57:59,030
from A to Z stay with us we'll be right

1253
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back after this short break on the game

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changer network and kg RA the planets

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imagine how it will feel when your

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01:02:50,970 --> 01:02:48,519
family and friends are asking you what

1349
01:02:53,549 --> 01:02:50,980
you did to look so good your secret will

1350
01:02:55,799 --> 01:02:53,559
be nature's youth RSF it's time to start

1351
01:02:57,960 --> 01:02:55,809
looking better and feeling better learn

1352
01:03:00,180 --> 01:02:57,970
more in order your nature's use RSS at

1353
01:03:03,739 --> 01:03:00,190
nature's youth Calm that's nature's

1354
01:03:06,299 --> 01:03:03,749
youth calm that's nature's youth calm

1355
01:03:08,579 --> 01:03:06,309
hello this is Serena right kayla from

1356
01:03:11,099 --> 01:03:08,589
conscious life Expo and you're listening

1357
01:03:13,349 --> 01:03:11,109
to fade to black with Jimmy Church who

1358
01:03:18,109 --> 01:03:13,359
holds the lucky pony record for the best

1359
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:18,119
astrological chart since 1963 true story

1360
01:03:22,229 --> 01:03:20,650
this is Micah Hank's of the gray lien

1361
01:03:24,569 --> 01:03:22,239
report and you're listening to Jimmy

1362
01:03:26,530 --> 01:03:24,579
church on fade to black across the globe

1363
01:03:28,780 --> 01:03:26,540
on the GameChanger radio network

1364
01:03:29,810 --> 01:03:28,790
the one and only kg are a radio the

1365
01:03:46,730 --> 01:03:29,820
planet

1366
01:03:51,940 --> 01:03:49,560
[Music]

1367
01:03:53,230 --> 01:03:51,950
welcome back fade to black I am your

1368
01:03:59,190 --> 01:03:53,240
host Jimmy Church our guest tonight

1369
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:02,800
you've always had questions right and I

1370
01:04:08,110 --> 01:04:05,930
get that the Fermi paradox is complex

1371
01:04:11,980 --> 01:04:08,120
but we're gonna do it all tonight hey

1372
01:04:16,090 --> 01:04:11,990
Isaac are you hip to CBD CBD

1373
01:04:17,890 --> 01:04:16,100
yeah CBD oil not familiar with it oh man

1374
01:04:21,070 --> 01:04:17,900
it's this miracle stuff you know it

1375
01:04:26,470 --> 01:04:21,080
comes as you know derived from hemp oh

1376
01:04:30,070 --> 01:04:26,480
yes yeah yeah CBD and it works last

1377
01:04:32,460 --> 01:04:30,080
summer I had this violent a woodchipper

1378
01:04:37,030 --> 01:04:32,470
accident right chop my head off right

1379
01:04:40,090 --> 01:04:37,040
clean off a couple of drops CBD grew

1380
01:04:41,830 --> 01:04:40,100
back it's incredible it's incredible it

1381
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:41,840
was and it happened quick most people

1382
01:04:49,930 --> 01:04:44,570
didn't even know what happened okay

1383
01:04:52,780 --> 01:04:49,940
we're moving on like Church you know so

1384
01:04:56,710 --> 01:04:52,790
check this out and I I'm sober I'm drug

1385
01:04:59,200 --> 01:04:56,720
free right I and and I make jokes about

1386
01:05:02,500 --> 01:04:59,210
this kind of stuff often and just popped

1387
01:05:05,050 --> 01:05:02,510
the bong joke and in Twitter now people

1388
01:05:08,610 --> 01:05:05,060
are showing me pictures of people

1389
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:08,620
smoking smoking weed underwater

1390
01:05:14,790 --> 01:05:12,170
that it can be done someone is gonna put

1391
01:05:18,850 --> 01:05:14,800
it up on YouTube just to prove this to

1392
01:05:23,140 --> 01:05:18,860
you right now oh okay here we go let's

1393
01:05:26,830 --> 01:05:23,150
continue the question is so where is et

1394
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:26,840
where is everybody answer it is the

1395
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:29,330
nature of intelligent life to destroy

1396
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:33,290
itself and then answer number two is the

1397
01:05:40,900 --> 01:05:35,930
answer the nature of intelligent life is

1398
01:05:43,270 --> 01:05:40,910
to destroy others now my take on that I

1399
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:43,280
need yours of course but that is this is

1400
01:05:49,510 --> 01:05:47,810
derived from humanity mm-hmm well here's

1401
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:49,520
the core power that we were saying all

1402
01:05:54,070 --> 01:05:51,410
Iran that one of the biggest problems we

1403
01:05:56,740 --> 01:05:54,080
all have with this original real life

1404
01:05:59,200 --> 01:05:56,750
concept where all of hypothesis is that

1405
01:06:02,140 --> 01:05:59,210
it's virtually impossible to kill off

1406
01:06:02,830 --> 01:06:02,150
life and you know humanity's been around

1407
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:02,840
for me

1408
01:06:06,430 --> 01:06:04,610
Neal as we haven't cured ourselves off

1409
01:06:08,710 --> 01:06:06,440
yet we seem to keep growing and

1410
01:06:11,230 --> 01:06:08,720
prospering actually if everyone was

1411
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:11,240
alive when this concept came up for me

1412
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:13,130
himself they they just invented the

1413
01:06:18,580 --> 01:06:15,770
h-bomb him and Teller they thought it

1414
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:18,590
was very easy to believe that life wiped

1415
01:06:23,950 --> 01:06:21,410
itself out and that may indeed be the

1416
01:06:26,020 --> 01:06:23,960
case but you know we get closer and

1417
01:06:27,730 --> 01:06:26,030
closer to being out in space every day

1418
01:06:30,220 --> 01:06:27,740
so we don't have all our eggs in one

1419
01:06:31,750 --> 01:06:30,230
basket and we still haven't blown

1420
01:06:33,490 --> 01:06:31,760
ourselves up and it doesn't really feel

1421
01:06:34,990 --> 01:06:33,500
like that's too close on the highs for

1422
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:35,000
all of us who live back in the Cold War

1423
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:38,330
that that we don't feel as endangered as

1424
01:06:44,140 --> 01:06:41,330
we did then so I that's obviously one we

1425
01:06:46,060 --> 01:06:44,150
can't rule out by any means but I find

1426
01:06:47,860 --> 01:06:46,070
hard to believe that all of them do it

1427
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:47,870
you know even if we assume 90% of them

1428
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:49,490
do and I'm a tech no optimus I don't

1429
01:06:53,890 --> 01:06:51,170
think very many of them would but Eve

1430
01:06:56,110 --> 01:06:53,900
was 90 percent Eva was 99 percent if

1431
01:06:58,090 --> 01:06:56,120
that's you know a thousand civilizations

1432
01:06:59,830 --> 01:06:58,100
poor galaxies that's still ten of them

1433
01:07:02,800 --> 01:06:59,840
that survived to go on and you know

1434
01:07:05,410 --> 01:07:02,810
expand out to the galaxy right and and

1435
01:07:08,620 --> 01:07:05,420
the other part of it is an dispersed

1436
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:08,630
especially with Fermi and Teller and the

1437
01:07:14,500 --> 01:07:10,690
nuclear fear that they had

1438
01:07:18,940 --> 01:07:14,510
understandable but even if we went

1439
01:07:21,610 --> 01:07:18,950
through a gnarly nuclear exchange there

1440
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:21,620
would be survivors yeah it is it is very

1441
01:07:24,940 --> 01:07:23,450
hard to kill a he meant they always

1442
01:07:26,620 --> 01:07:24,950
talked about how tough the cockroach is

1443
01:07:28,540 --> 01:07:26,630
only sit when I was kid nowadays is the

1444
01:07:30,610 --> 01:07:28,550
tardigrade we all talk about right

1445
01:07:31,990 --> 01:07:30,620
I think they overestimate the cockroach

1446
01:07:32,740 --> 01:07:32,000
and underestimate the survivability of

1447
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:32,750
humans

1448
01:07:37,060 --> 01:07:35,210
I have never figured out a way short of

1449
01:07:38,830 --> 01:07:37,070
sterilizing the entire surface of the

1450
01:07:40,420 --> 01:07:38,840
planet that you can reliably kill off

1451
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:40,430
all humans in a way that wouldn't have

1452
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:42,890
us back here what about what about what

1453
01:07:48,250 --> 01:07:46,370
about something biological 100% fatality

1454
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:48,260
rates would require an awful lot of

1455
01:07:51,610 --> 01:07:49,730
engineering we've never pulled that up

1456
01:07:53,590 --> 01:07:51,620
for and even then you'd have people who

1457
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:53,600
hoard about it spreading or just way out

1458
01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:55,130
on a cabin in the woods somewhere and

1459
01:07:58,990 --> 01:07:56,720
they'd all get together afterwards and

1460
01:08:00,850 --> 01:07:59,000
talk to each other by ham radio and you

1461
01:08:01,810 --> 01:08:00,860
know make a new civilization or someone

1462
01:08:04,330 --> 01:08:01,820
would be in a bunk or somewhere

1463
01:08:07,210 --> 01:08:04,340
surviving and some would be naturally

1464
01:08:09,670 --> 01:08:07,220
immune and probably yeah we've never had

1465
01:08:11,710 --> 01:08:09,680
an illness that was that effective and I

1466
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:11,720
think something like that mmm the

1467
01:08:14,290 --> 01:08:13,010
technology need to make something like

1468
01:08:16,140 --> 01:08:14,300
that is pretty close to what you need to

1469
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:16,150
fix it I would think too

1470
01:08:19,410 --> 01:08:17,890
and you know you might have one crazy

1471
01:08:21,570 --> 01:08:19,420
lunatic who's a genius putting that

1472
01:08:23,970 --> 01:08:21,580
together but you'd have millions of

1473
01:08:26,099 --> 01:08:23,980
other scientists who had that same level

1474
01:08:28,410 --> 01:08:26,109
of technological access working on a fix

1475
01:08:31,229 --> 01:08:28,420
or preventative measure so it can't be

1476
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:31,239
ruled out of course but again 99% of

1477
01:08:35,579 --> 01:08:32,770
civilizations might go down that way

1478
01:08:37,919 --> 01:08:35,589
forsythia be less than 1 but someone's

1479
01:08:40,610 --> 01:08:37,929
was loved and what about the second half

1480
01:08:43,079 --> 01:08:40,620
of this which is it's the nature of

1481
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:43,089
intelligent life to destroy others and

1482
01:08:48,809 --> 01:08:46,449
certainly with us we we shoot first and

1483
01:08:51,899 --> 01:08:48,819
ask questions later right and and I

1484
01:08:53,820 --> 01:08:51,909
understand this this this concept do we

1485
01:08:55,919 --> 01:08:53,830
I'm their business notion when we were

1486
01:08:57,660 --> 01:08:55,929
growing up that humanity had wiped out

1487
01:08:59,039 --> 01:08:57,670
the other species like Neanderthal

1488
01:09:00,360 --> 01:08:59,049
things like that and that was a pretty

1489
01:09:02,309 --> 01:09:00,370
common thought was that you know we

1490
01:09:03,780 --> 01:09:02,319
wiped out the other hominids a hominid

1491
01:09:05,010 --> 01:09:03,790
species now it looks more like we you

1492
01:09:07,050 --> 01:09:05,020
know bred with a lot of them and

1493
01:09:09,809 --> 01:09:07,060
certainly we have a long history of

1494
01:09:11,939 --> 01:09:09,819
violence but truth be told most

1495
01:09:13,289 --> 01:09:11,949
interactions between new civilizations

1496
01:09:15,510 --> 01:09:13,299
are just bumped into each other for the

1497
01:09:17,130 --> 01:09:15,520
first time have been fairly peaceful I

1498
01:09:18,809 --> 01:09:17,140
mean we have people who will trade with

1499
01:09:20,970 --> 01:09:18,819
other tribes who didn't even speak the

1500
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:20,980
same language they would just put stuff

1501
01:09:23,490 --> 01:09:22,449
on the River Shore and the other guys

1502
01:09:24,899 --> 01:09:23,500
would put stuff on them it was sure

1503
01:09:26,189 --> 01:09:24,909
until everyone thought it was good and

1504
01:09:27,899 --> 01:09:26,199
they never said a word to each other and

1505
01:09:29,789 --> 01:09:27,909
they exchanged there's suddenly a

1506
01:09:31,470 --> 01:09:29,799
history of violence with humanity mutton

1507
01:09:33,450 --> 01:09:31,480
you know can't hide that can't pretend

1508
01:09:35,010 --> 01:09:33,460
otherwise but I think that can get

1509
01:09:36,269 --> 01:09:35,020
exaggerated a little bit time zwi we've

1510
01:09:39,990 --> 01:09:36,279
tended to be pretty good at making

1511
01:09:42,329 --> 01:09:40,000
friends too so intelligent life would

1512
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:42,339
you know especially much more advanced

1513
01:09:48,510 --> 01:09:44,890
than us wouldn't be out there smoking

1514
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:48,520
other planets with you know adults laser

1515
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:51,489
cannons one thing we can say with

1516
01:09:54,689 --> 01:09:52,810
reasonable certainty about and we can

1517
01:09:55,979 --> 01:09:54,699
never speak with much Saudi about aliens

1518
01:09:57,959 --> 01:09:55,989
period but one of the things we could

1519
01:10:00,720 --> 01:09:57,969
say with a certain amount of Santi is

1520
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:00,730
that to make a civilization you need to

1521
01:10:04,740 --> 01:10:02,650
have some social skills you might be

1522
01:10:07,260 --> 01:10:04,750
hypo aggressive and psychotic to some

1523
01:10:08,820 --> 01:10:07,270
degree but you can't push it too far

1524
01:10:11,729 --> 01:10:08,830
the more advanced species on this planet

1525
01:10:14,189 --> 01:10:11,739
types of mammals all social animals they

1526
01:10:16,919 --> 01:10:14,199
do well by walking together with their

1527
01:10:18,510 --> 01:10:16,929
pack for Humanity the thing that allowed

1528
01:10:20,700 --> 01:10:18,520
us to get technology was the ability to

1529
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:20,710
build big cities full of people you know

1530
01:10:23,970 --> 01:10:22,810
those old portion cities of thousands of

1531
01:10:25,770 --> 01:10:23,980
people would be unthinkable in

1532
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:25,780
hunter-gatherer civilization right

1533
01:10:28,300 --> 01:10:27,730
everyone was specialized and couldn't

1534
01:10:30,940 --> 01:10:28,310
you know spend

1535
01:10:32,980 --> 01:10:30,950
whole life walkie on one trade that's

1536
01:10:34,900 --> 01:10:32,990
how you get to technology I'd have

1537
01:10:37,330 --> 01:10:34,910
difficulty imagining when doing that who

1538
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:37,340
was openly genocide I'll automatically

1539
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:39,770
to everybody just totally hostile the

1540
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:43,610
question is so where is et where is

1541
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:44,570
everybody

1542
01:10:53,590 --> 01:10:48,290
answer periodic extinction by natural

1543
01:10:56,170 --> 01:10:53,600
events now of course we the inclination

1544
01:10:59,860 --> 01:10:56,180
is to think of earthquakes volcanoes

1545
01:11:03,460 --> 01:10:59,870
hurricanes right asteroids but then

1546
01:11:05,350 --> 01:11:03,470
there's also the star right stars and

1547
01:11:08,790 --> 01:11:05,360
and so forth uh you know solar

1548
01:11:11,440 --> 01:11:08,800
engagement what how do we look at this

1549
01:11:13,270 --> 01:11:11,450
hasn't succeeded in wiping out life in

1550
01:11:15,430 --> 01:11:13,280
so far at least not any sort of

1551
01:11:18,060 --> 01:11:15,440
timeframe that would be relevant to the

1552
01:11:20,350 --> 01:11:18,070
human race like we've been around for

1553
01:11:22,420 --> 01:11:20,360
thousands of years of civilization and

1554
01:11:24,250 --> 01:11:22,430
we'll just about immune to these things

1555
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:24,260
it's not going to be much longer for we

1556
01:11:29,470 --> 01:11:26,570
could just you know shrug off almost say

1557
01:11:31,030 --> 01:11:29,480
these things so statistically we're not

1558
01:11:32,950 --> 01:11:31,040
an anomaly and having survived that long

1559
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:32,960
we'd have to assume that some plants

1560
01:11:36,460 --> 01:11:34,250
probably would get natural disasters

1561
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:36,470
that wiped them out but a lot would not

1562
01:11:40,270 --> 01:11:38,930
so give me that issue of exclusivity we

1563
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:40,280
cannot assume that this is gonna get

1564
01:11:44,500 --> 01:11:42,530
everybody and heed to any civilization

1565
01:11:46,750 --> 01:11:44,510
probably beyond by the next century or

1566
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:46,760
so if you see a big asteroid coming

1567
01:11:50,710 --> 01:11:49,370
towards your planet everyone might stop

1568
01:11:52,210 --> 01:11:50,720
walking but all you go check their

1569
01:11:53,740 --> 01:11:52,220
stocks for commodities because it's like

1570
01:11:54,790 --> 01:11:53,750
free gold moving toward your planet

1571
01:11:56,710 --> 01:11:54,800
you're not worried about that hitting

1572
01:11:58,180 --> 01:11:56,720
you you're waiting to go work that thing

1573
01:12:00,430 --> 01:11:58,190
in because it's free money yeah

1574
01:12:05,350 --> 01:12:00,440
resources it's full of diamonds right

1575
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:05,360
and and so let's let's take this one

1576
01:12:12,270 --> 01:12:09,170
step further though when we look at when

1577
01:12:15,630 --> 01:12:12,280
we go 65 70 million years ago asteroid

1578
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:15,640
impacts earth wipes out dinosaurs right

1579
01:12:20,710 --> 01:12:18,170
and wiped out just about everything on

1580
01:12:23,260 --> 01:12:20,720
this planet ninety ninety percent right

1581
01:12:26,910 --> 01:12:23,270
that's a pretty high percentage rate

1582
01:12:31,150 --> 01:12:26,920
sharks survived cockroaches survived but

1583
01:12:34,780 --> 01:12:31,160
it didn't take very long for everything

1584
01:12:37,510 --> 01:12:34,790
to just repopulate with new species and

1585
01:12:39,970 --> 01:12:37,520
it happened nearly overnight and in the

1586
01:12:41,709 --> 01:12:39,980
big timescale yeah we can't even say how

1587
01:12:43,750 --> 01:12:41,719
I was because we try to be estimate

1588
01:12:46,419 --> 01:12:43,760
periods is such a big mole Gervais or on

1589
01:12:48,310 --> 01:12:46,429
both how few fast was we have my period

1590
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:48,320
and just the time dating we do our that

1591
01:12:52,029 --> 01:12:50,449
that we don't know if that stuff

1592
01:12:53,350 --> 01:12:52,039
actually died off then it might Bend

1593
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:53,360
that almost all them did and they are

1594
01:12:57,250 --> 01:12:55,610
pushed off the the hill by something

1595
01:12:58,419 --> 01:12:57,260
else having a chance to rise up and

1596
01:13:00,370 --> 01:12:58,429
displace them and it might have taken

1597
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:00,380
thousands of years right who could

1598
01:13:03,759 --> 01:13:01,489
easily have been dinosaurs walking

1599
01:13:05,229 --> 01:13:03,769
around this planet for several thousand

1600
01:13:06,790 --> 01:13:05,239
years after that event and we wouldn't

1601
01:13:08,739 --> 01:13:06,800
be able to tell from our fossil record

1602
01:13:10,060 --> 01:13:08,749
because we can't date them that

1603
01:13:12,219 --> 01:13:10,070
accurately and we just don't have very

1604
01:13:15,430 --> 01:13:12,229
many dinosaur fossils especially from

1605
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:15,440
that Tyler time period there so and it

1606
01:13:20,350 --> 01:13:18,050
takes so little time for simple life to

1607
01:13:21,969 --> 01:13:20,360
be populated planet humans and other

1608
01:13:23,140 --> 01:13:21,979
large animals take a little bit of time

1609
01:13:25,149 --> 01:13:23,150
because we breathe slowly

1610
01:13:26,859 --> 01:13:25,159
if you wiped out everything on this

1611
01:13:28,540 --> 01:13:26,869
planet just cure them all or nothing

1612
01:13:30,819 --> 01:13:28,550
changed the plan itself and that's one

1613
01:13:31,899 --> 01:13:30,829
single amoeba the plan will be covered

1614
01:13:34,569 --> 01:13:31,909
again with them in a couple of years

1615
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:34,579
really just one because they divide so

1616
01:13:39,430 --> 01:13:35,090
fast

1617
01:13:40,839 --> 01:13:39,440
debt we're not talking about DNA we're

1618
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:40,849
not talking about something with a brain

1619
01:13:45,129 --> 01:13:43,489
we're just talking about life yeah and

1620
01:13:46,719 --> 01:13:45,139
you get into something like a cat or dog

1621
01:13:48,310 --> 01:13:46,729
you know you got one family a cat a dog

1622
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:48,320
left over it would only take them a few

1623
01:13:52,629 --> 01:13:50,690
centuries to repopulate the earth back

1624
01:13:54,069 --> 01:13:52,639
to their previous numbers humans a

1625
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:54,079
little bit slow if we knock them down

1626
01:13:57,459 --> 01:13:55,610
that fall but we can double in a

1627
01:14:00,609 --> 01:13:57,469
generation if we need to even more if we

1628
01:14:02,799 --> 01:14:00,619
have to and we quadrupled in well I had

1629
01:14:04,689 --> 01:14:02,809
the last century doesn't take too many

1630
01:14:06,549 --> 01:14:04,699
doublings to get yourself back from a

1631
01:14:10,060 --> 01:14:06,559
thousand to a billion yeah that's only

1632
01:14:11,589 --> 01:14:10,070
twenty doublings yeah quadruple each

1633
01:14:14,169 --> 01:14:11,599
time five centuries in your back to know

1634
01:14:16,959 --> 01:14:14,179
more right right right right if it flips

1635
01:14:19,450 --> 01:14:16,969
me out when we when I look at math that

1636
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:19,460
way you know you take a penny you double

1637
01:14:23,919 --> 01:14:21,530
it in two days you got two pennies and

1638
01:14:26,169 --> 01:14:23,929
and then you've got four pennies and in

1639
01:14:28,209 --> 01:14:26,179
30 days you're worth fifty billion

1640
01:14:30,819 --> 01:14:28,219
dollars you know it's just so crazy

1641
01:14:33,009 --> 01:14:30,829
number but okay let's let's let's

1642
01:14:35,859 --> 01:14:33,019
continue we got a lot to cover here the

1643
01:14:36,700 --> 01:14:35,869
question is so where is et where is

1644
01:14:40,540 --> 01:14:36,710
everybody

1645
01:14:46,930 --> 01:14:40,550
the answer is inflation hypothesis and

1646
01:14:49,569 --> 01:14:46,940
the youngness argument the general idea

1647
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:49,579
that that life might just be Dean's

1648
01:14:53,379 --> 01:14:51,650
daughter now that's you know with all

1649
01:14:55,270 --> 01:14:53,389
these civilizations have just popped up

1650
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:55,280
in the last million years or so

1651
01:14:58,480 --> 01:14:56,810
doesn't hold up too well to our current

1652
01:14:59,980 --> 01:14:58,490
dating astronomy and now mind you

1653
01:15:01,570 --> 01:14:59,990
there's always a chance our numbers are

1654
01:15:03,190 --> 01:15:01,580
off on the dating especially at the

1655
01:15:04,750 --> 01:15:03,200
extra galactic scale cuz it's so much

1656
01:15:05,350 --> 01:15:04,760
harder for skip direct measurements

1657
01:15:07,270 --> 01:15:05,360
right

1658
01:15:09,100 --> 01:15:07,280
but based on what we know you know

1659
01:15:10,870 --> 01:15:09,110
plants they're lucky like both have been

1660
01:15:13,780 --> 01:15:10,880
getting more common as time goes on as

1661
01:15:15,370 --> 01:15:13,790
the metallicity of stalls how much stuff

1662
01:15:17,770 --> 01:15:15,380
besides hydrogen helium to have in them

1663
01:15:20,230 --> 01:15:17,780
has increased but we can look back and

1664
01:15:22,990 --> 01:15:20,240
see stars know about as metallic as our

1665
01:15:25,270 --> 01:15:23,000
own Sun as far back as 8 or 9 billion

1666
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:25,280
years ago and they were a lot less

1667
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:27,050
common to be sure but they'd have gotten

1668
01:15:30,940 --> 01:15:28,970
stored then and and then you know as

1669
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:30,950
time goes on to get more and more common

1670
01:15:35,470 --> 01:15:33,050
but we're still talking about billions

1671
01:15:37,480 --> 01:15:35,480
of years timeline when realistically you

1672
01:15:39,820 --> 01:15:37,490
maybe need a million years to colonize a

1673
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:39,830
galaxy and that's where the no we were

1674
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:41,210
just talking moment ago about doublings

1675
01:15:45,430 --> 01:15:43,370
and how it kind of breaks the mind right

1676
01:15:47,500 --> 01:15:45,440
it's so easy to look at you know the

1677
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:47,510
universe and say civilizations thousands

1678
01:15:50,530 --> 01:15:49,010
of years older the galaxy might take

1679
01:15:52,350 --> 01:15:50,540
millions of years to colonize and the

1680
01:15:55,660 --> 01:15:52,360
galaxy is billions of years old and

1681
01:15:58,480 --> 01:15:55,670
forget just how huge a time gap that

1682
01:16:01,240 --> 01:15:58,490
really is in comparison most people

1683
01:16:05,440 --> 01:16:01,250
don't realize because we use you know

1684
01:16:07,540 --> 01:16:05,450
the word billion is is everywhere now

1685
01:16:09,610 --> 01:16:07,550
billionaires are everywhere when we were

1686
01:16:11,590 --> 01:16:09,620
growing up there was one billionaire

1687
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:11,600
right now there venus is like every

1688
01:16:16,540 --> 01:16:13,850
single a new billionaire and if there

1689
01:16:20,380 --> 01:16:16,550
was 3,000 the US alone yes it's it's a

1690
01:16:23,980 --> 01:16:20,390
crazy thing we don't understand how long

1691
01:16:26,860 --> 01:16:23,990
it takes to go from 1 million to 1

1692
01:16:28,900 --> 01:16:26,870
billion that that's and then when you

1693
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:28,910
flip that around and you're going from 1

1694
01:16:34,450 --> 01:16:32,690
billion to a trillion how many millions

1695
01:16:36,670 --> 01:16:34,460
are involved with these sort of those

1696
01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:36,680
billions and then how many billions are

1697
01:16:43,570 --> 01:16:39,920
involved to accumulate up to a trillion

1698
01:16:45,700 --> 01:16:43,580
these are huge huge vast numbers that

1699
01:16:47,380 --> 01:16:45,710
take time to do mm-hmm

1700
01:16:49,540 --> 01:16:47,390
there's a little under a hundred

1701
01:16:51,430 --> 01:16:49,550
thousand seconds in a day if we treat

1702
01:16:52,990 --> 01:16:51,440
the galaxy at ten billion years ago is

1703
01:16:54,970 --> 01:16:53,000
when the earliest rocky plants could

1704
01:16:56,350 --> 01:16:54,980
form and we divide it up by a hundred

1705
01:16:58,630 --> 01:16:56,360
thousand you couldn't of seconds they

1706
01:17:00,820 --> 01:16:58,640
are each of those then would be 10

1707
01:17:02,950 --> 01:17:00,830
billion be a hundred thousand years

1708
01:17:03,970 --> 01:17:02,960
hopefully I didn't just mess that up

1709
01:17:05,350 --> 01:17:03,980
that's right each of those little

1710
01:17:08,050 --> 01:17:05,360
increments be a hundred thousand years

1711
01:17:09,010 --> 01:17:08,060
and a hundred thousand years as one

1712
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:09,020
second that means

1713
01:17:14,020 --> 01:17:11,330
the entire humanoid species developed

1714
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:14,030
fire ten seconds ago yes miss lactic day

1715
01:17:17,890 --> 01:17:16,130
yes and it means that any species that

1716
01:17:19,930 --> 01:17:17,900
might have arisen could easily of arisen

1717
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:19,940
any time in the a.m period if without

1718
01:17:24,610 --> 01:17:22,130
getting close to midnight and they would

1719
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:24,620
only have needed a couple of minutes to

1720
01:17:30,550 --> 01:17:26,330
colonize the entire galaxy that's right

1721
01:17:34,060 --> 01:17:30,560
and so you could take a slice about the

1722
01:17:37,420 --> 01:17:34,070
thickness of a business card in that

1723
01:17:39,790 --> 01:17:37,430
time scale right and slice it up and

1724
01:17:41,410 --> 01:17:39,800
something could have come and gone yeah

1725
01:17:42,490 --> 01:17:41,420
you would just completely have missed it

1726
01:17:44,380 --> 01:17:42,500
but of course that's assuming they

1727
01:17:46,660 --> 01:17:44,390
didn't stick around that's right and

1728
01:17:49,150 --> 01:17:46,670
that it's it's a mind-blowing concept

1729
01:17:52,510 --> 01:17:49,160
and I use it a lot I try to get as

1730
01:17:54,700 --> 01:17:52,520
visual as I can with it just like you

1731
01:17:56,620 --> 01:17:54,710
just explained it and that's because I

1732
01:18:01,120 --> 01:17:56,630
stole it from you let's go to the next

1733
01:18:02,950 --> 01:18:01,130
one okay question so where is et where

1734
01:18:06,970 --> 01:18:02,960
is everybody

1735
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:06,980
answer intelligent civilizations are too

1736
01:18:16,020 --> 01:18:11,330
far apart in space and time you've spent

1737
01:18:19,870 --> 01:18:16,030
a lot a lot of time no pun intended on

1738
01:18:22,150 --> 01:18:19,880
this subject and this answer so let's

1739
01:18:24,700 --> 01:18:22,160
let's pick this apart a little bit how

1740
01:18:27,460 --> 01:18:24,710
much how much how much distance are we

1741
01:18:29,290 --> 01:18:27,470
talking about in space and time well

1742
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:29,300
always comes down to how Vale was saying

1743
01:18:33,010 --> 01:18:31,130
this life is and then this what kind of

1744
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:33,020
albumen kind of falls back to the

1745
01:18:36,310 --> 01:18:34,610
available of hypotheses to begin with

1746
01:18:38,620 --> 01:18:36,320
because if they're popping up in almost

1747
01:18:40,330 --> 01:18:38,630
every solar system then you you don't

1748
01:18:41,590 --> 01:18:40,340
have this you should to begin with but

1749
01:18:43,300 --> 01:18:41,600
it you have to assume some amount of

1750
01:18:45,220 --> 01:18:43,310
ability for this argument to make sense

1751
01:18:46,990 --> 01:18:45,230
in the first place is to say they don't

1752
01:18:48,910 --> 01:18:47,000
exist or they don't exist very long and

1753
01:18:50,610 --> 01:18:48,920
they don't pop up much and I say we

1754
01:18:53,590 --> 01:18:50,620
couldn't possibly have heard them and

1755
01:18:55,510 --> 01:18:53,600
the problem is that while it's very hard

1756
01:18:58,390 --> 01:18:55,520
to hear our radio signals even with all

1757
01:19:00,760 --> 01:18:58,400
really good telescopes one star system

1758
01:19:02,740 --> 01:19:00,770
over it is so easy for a spacefaring

1759
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:02,750
civilization just inside our own solar

1760
01:19:06,820 --> 01:19:04,730
system to build some gigantic solar

1761
01:19:08,950 --> 01:19:06,830
powered radio that you could hear across

1762
01:19:10,510 --> 01:19:08,960
the galaxy mm-hmm and it's also very

1763
01:19:12,070 --> 01:19:10,520
easy to potentially build telescopes

1764
01:19:14,500 --> 01:19:12,080
because actually easier to build

1765
01:19:18,070 --> 01:19:14,510
telescopes in space that all just

1766
01:19:19,690 --> 01:19:18,080
kilometres cost giant giant dishes no

1767
01:19:22,060 --> 01:19:19,700
gravity or wind messing up your ability

1768
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:22,070
to build them huge so you've got the

1769
01:19:25,030 --> 01:19:22,850
ability to make really

1770
01:19:27,100 --> 01:19:25,040
systems and to make one's now very

1771
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:27,110
sensitive so you could hear them the

1772
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:29,330
question is can you hear them before

1773
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:31,130
they stop transmitting and that goes

1774
01:19:34,660 --> 01:19:32,690
back to that question of why do they

1775
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:34,670
stop transmitting and of course it goes

1776
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:36,170
to the for the problem which is this

1777
01:19:39,990 --> 01:19:38,090
assumption that foam you ate himself was

1778
01:19:43,330 --> 01:19:40,000
that interstellar travel is impossible

1779
01:19:44,410 --> 01:19:43,340
he just assumed that this was 1950s that

1780
01:19:46,900 --> 01:19:44,420
we would never figure out a way to

1781
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:46,910
travel to other solar systems so a lot

1782
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:48,770
of what we do on the channel in science

1783
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:50,210
fiction everyone assumes you get an FTL

1784
01:19:52,900 --> 01:19:51,650
ship and you can do it that way and that

1785
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:52,910
makes things great you got a warp drive

1786
01:19:56,860 --> 01:19:55,130
and on the channel we try to focus on

1787
01:19:58,780 --> 01:19:56,870
assume we never get that assuming were

1788
01:20:01,000 --> 01:19:58,790
limited to just the science we have

1789
01:20:03,730 --> 01:20:01,010
right now could you colonize the galaxy

1790
01:20:05,140 --> 01:20:03,740
and all evidences yeah you absolutely

1791
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:05,150
could if you can get a good

1792
01:20:08,500 --> 01:20:06,770
infrastructure into orbit around Earth

1793
01:20:10,210 --> 01:20:08,510
you don't need a single new

1794
01:20:13,060 --> 01:20:10,220
technological development in terms of

1795
01:20:14,620 --> 01:20:13,070
propulsion to build gigantic meals and

1796
01:20:16,450 --> 01:20:14,630
lasers that will let you push ships up

1797
01:20:18,340 --> 01:20:16,460
and Espino to relativistic speed to get

1798
01:20:19,480 --> 01:20:18,350
to other solve systems there's a lot of

1799
01:20:21,310 --> 01:20:19,490
technology that would make that a lot

1800
01:20:23,230 --> 01:20:21,320
easier and more functional but you can

1801
01:20:25,810 --> 01:20:23,240
do it at that point you don't need truly

1802
01:20:27,550 --> 01:20:25,820
advanced technology right so how can

1803
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:27,560
they be that rail if you can do space

1804
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:29,810
travel the argument that we can't hear

1805
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:31,730
them has to assume they don't last very

1806
01:20:38,830 --> 01:20:34,250
long and they can't do space travel now

1807
01:20:41,830 --> 01:20:38,840
what about this this concept I need you

1808
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:41,840
to help me understand this with the

1809
01:20:50,850 --> 01:20:46,370
projection of those radio telescopes and

1810
01:20:55,270 --> 01:20:50,860
the ability to get this information out

1811
01:20:59,230 --> 01:20:55,280
does it have to be laser-focused towards

1812
01:21:03,760 --> 01:20:59,240
Earth or does it permeate in a 360

1813
01:21:05,350 --> 01:21:03,770
degree universe worldview well there was

1814
01:21:06,790 --> 01:21:05,360
a thought that when you're trying to

1815
01:21:08,440 --> 01:21:06,800
send messages to another solar system

1816
01:21:10,300 --> 01:21:08,450
you want to condense that beam up as

1817
01:21:11,710 --> 01:21:10,310
much as possible knightley's those are

1818
01:21:13,750 --> 01:21:11,720
no things like that do not actually stay

1819
01:21:15,430 --> 01:21:13,760
as a tight so no they do spread out same

1820
01:21:17,500 --> 01:21:15,440
as normal omnidirectional waves

1821
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:17,510
eventually yes they do do it a lot more

1822
01:21:21,340 --> 01:21:19,730
slowly as a walk right but an

1823
01:21:23,430 --> 01:21:21,350
omnidirectional signal is not very

1824
01:21:26,260 --> 01:21:23,440
efficient for broadcasting galaxy-wide

1825
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:26,270
that's got two problems with though the

1826
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:28,130
forced is if you're trying to talk to

1827
01:21:31,210 --> 01:21:29,330
everyone an omnidirectional signal

1828
01:21:33,930 --> 01:21:31,220
probably is easier than trying to target

1829
01:21:35,530 --> 01:21:33,940
a billion individual beams to locations

1830
01:21:38,230 --> 01:21:35,540
and

1831
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:38,240
you have the entire output of a Sun to

1832
01:21:41,500 --> 01:21:40,010
walk with if you need it if you right

1833
01:21:44,350 --> 01:21:41,510
there it's they or you can make giant

1834
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:44,360
solar panels to power thing and that's

1835
01:21:48,070 --> 01:21:46,730
more than loud enough that's many orders

1836
01:21:49,480 --> 01:21:48,080
of magnitude more energy than you need

1837
01:21:52,540 --> 01:21:49,490
to produce a radio signal you can do

1838
01:21:54,670 --> 01:21:52,550
galaxy-wide on a normal radio sitting on

1839
01:21:56,530 --> 01:21:54,680
the ground and then the other part about

1840
01:21:58,420 --> 01:21:56,540
that is the one thing you absolutely

1841
01:22:01,150 --> 01:21:58,430
would want to always do omnidirectional

1842
01:22:02,050 --> 01:22:01,160
e and not encrypt it and we say we might

1843
01:22:03,250 --> 01:22:02,060
not be able to hear them because they

1844
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:03,260
encrypt everything or they use

1845
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:05,210
point-to-point transmissions like lasers

1846
01:22:09,460 --> 01:22:06,890
right right one thing you always

1847
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:09,470
transmit omnidirectional e is the time

1848
01:22:12,610 --> 01:22:11,810
code the GPS the galactic positioning

1849
01:22:14,950 --> 01:22:12,620
system

1850
01:22:17,050 --> 01:22:14,960
people are gonna need to know where they

1851
01:22:19,300 --> 01:22:17,060
are located exactly and neutron stars

1852
01:22:20,830 --> 01:22:19,310
are not good enough to really give you

1853
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:20,840
an exact focus we talked about using

1854
01:22:24,460 --> 01:22:23,090
post hauls that do fixes and you can do

1855
01:22:27,070 --> 01:22:24,470
that that won't give you the accuracy

1856
01:22:29,500 --> 01:22:27,080
that you want you're going to have a big

1857
01:22:32,860 --> 01:22:29,510
loud signal that just broadcasts a one

1858
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:32,870
over again the time is 12:01 p.m. and

1859
01:22:36,790 --> 01:22:35,090
that's whatever and you don't care

1860
01:22:39,190 --> 01:22:36,800
that's going fast tonight you want it to

1861
01:22:40,690 --> 01:22:39,200
go at relativistic normal speeds because

1862
01:22:43,140 --> 01:22:40,700
that's what people use to figure out

1863
01:22:48,970 --> 01:22:43,150
where you are right right right

1864
01:22:51,130 --> 01:22:48,980
now let's let's jump right to the the

1865
01:22:53,110 --> 01:22:51,140
next answer and the question is of

1866
01:22:56,710 --> 01:22:53,120
course where is et where is everybody

1867
01:22:59,080 --> 01:22:56,720
and the answer to this one we're gonna

1868
01:23:02,050 --> 01:22:59,090
spend a lot of time on again which is

1869
01:23:05,050 --> 01:23:02,060
the lack of resources to spread

1870
01:23:07,930 --> 01:23:05,060
physically throughout the galaxy and

1871
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:07,940
before you answer let me let me pop this

1872
01:23:13,210 --> 01:23:11,330
in there I look at our planet because

1873
01:23:14,620 --> 01:23:13,220
when somebody hears this answer they

1874
01:23:16,210 --> 01:23:14,630
think well you know we have a hard time

1875
01:23:18,940 --> 01:23:16,220
getting oil out of the ground we have a

1876
01:23:21,910 --> 01:23:18,950
heart Gold is rare you know we have to

1877
01:23:24,300 --> 01:23:21,920
manufacture steel and we have problems

1878
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:24,310
in with resources here for our own

1879
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:29,570
infrastructure we don't have an orbiting

1880
01:23:33,670 --> 01:23:31,370
space station we haven't colonized the

1881
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:33,680
moon it takes a lot of resources to do

1882
01:23:39,370 --> 01:23:36,050
that so they understand this point

1883
01:23:42,220 --> 01:23:39,380
really quickly but you've got a counter

1884
01:23:45,220 --> 01:23:42,230
to this answer which I think is is

1885
01:23:47,170 --> 01:23:45,230
amazing there is a ton of resource in

1886
01:23:49,030 --> 01:23:47,180
the solar system earth has a very big

1887
01:23:50,350 --> 01:23:49,040
share the easy accessible ones but the

1888
01:23:52,450 --> 01:23:50,360
easiest ones access or things like

1889
01:23:54,220 --> 01:23:52,460
asteroids we live at the bottom of

1890
01:23:56,050 --> 01:23:54,230
gravity well that makes it hard to get

1891
01:23:57,760 --> 01:23:56,060
that off there as does a full place like

1892
01:24:00,400 --> 01:23:57,770
Mars or Jupiter where they have tons of

1893
01:24:01,990 --> 01:24:00,410
resources but our biggest problem

1894
01:24:04,030 --> 01:24:02,000
getting resources on earth besides

1895
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:04,040
things like oil which are biological

1896
01:24:08,440 --> 01:24:05,210
nature so we wouldn't find them too much

1897
01:24:10,390 --> 01:24:08,450
in space is that we live on top of all

1898
01:24:12,370 --> 01:24:10,400
those resources so to get at them we

1899
01:24:14,260 --> 01:24:12,380
have to dig up a lot of stuff including

1900
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:14,270
valuable real estate when you're up in

1901
01:24:17,110 --> 01:24:16,010
space walking on some asteroid a few

1902
01:24:19,090 --> 01:24:17,120
kilometers across

1903
01:24:21,310 --> 01:24:19,100
you can disassemble that whole thing and

1904
01:24:24,070 --> 01:24:21,320
your typical metallic asteroid is going

1905
01:24:26,020 --> 01:24:24,080
to have more iron in it then we've

1906
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:26,030
produced in like an entire century it's

1907
01:24:31,630 --> 01:24:29,090
a cubic kilometer of ion you know that's

1908
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:31,640
a lot of metal most of those large or

1909
01:24:36,070 --> 01:24:33,530
medium range asteroids have enough

1910
01:24:38,620 --> 01:24:36,080
metals in them develop easily accesible

1911
01:24:41,380 --> 01:24:38,630
to build aircraft size carry or

1912
01:24:44,140 --> 01:24:41,390
starships by the billion you only need

1913
01:24:46,480 --> 01:24:44,150
to exhaust one of those ok hold on hold

1914
01:24:49,890 --> 01:24:46,490
on how galaxies all I'm pump the brakes

1915
01:24:53,050 --> 01:24:49,900
there Isaak repeat what you just said

1916
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:53,060
your typical asteroid medium-scale one

1917
01:24:55,630 --> 01:24:54,530
is gonna have enough metals in it to

1918
01:24:58,210 --> 01:24:55,640
make something the size of an aircraft

1919
01:25:00,580 --> 01:24:58,220
carrier or spaceship that size a billion

1920
01:25:02,890 --> 01:25:00,590
times over again so enough to send one

1921
01:25:05,020 --> 01:25:02,900
to every single star system in this

1922
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:05,030
galaxy and there was enough resources in

1923
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:07,370
this solar system easily accessible

1924
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:09,410
resources to be able to build whole

1925
01:25:15,310 --> 01:25:12,170
fleets of these for every single star

1926
01:25:16,660 --> 01:25:15,320
system out there and so and you don't

1927
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:16,670
have to go to those a lot of distance

1928
01:25:19,990 --> 01:25:18,050
star systems you can stop your nearest

1929
01:25:21,970 --> 01:25:20,000
neighbor and grab more resources and

1930
01:25:24,250 --> 01:25:21,980
spread out from there and you would only

1931
01:25:26,590 --> 01:25:24,260
have scratched the resources in the

1932
01:25:29,140 --> 01:25:26,600
solar system by doing that it's a scale

1933
01:25:31,540 --> 01:25:29,150
thing the solar system and the earth for

1934
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:31,550
that matter is so enormous compared to

1935
01:25:36,070 --> 01:25:33,410
what we think of as the earth we live in

1936
01:25:38,470 --> 01:25:36,080
a tiny Tiger or like oil counting of

1937
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:38,480
around the surface of this planet it's a

1938
01:25:43,810 --> 01:25:41,090
couple kilometers the plants thousands

1939
01:25:46,540 --> 01:25:43,820
of clon was wide so our solution is the

1940
01:25:48,490 --> 01:25:46,550
asteroid belt that's the easiest ones to

1941
01:25:50,500 --> 01:25:48,500
get at they don't have that much the

1942
01:25:52,390 --> 01:25:50,510
asteroid belt in its entirety has less

1943
01:25:53,710 --> 01:25:52,400
material set than the moon it's in fact

1944
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:53,720
the difference between the moon and the

1945
01:25:56,980 --> 01:25:55,010
earth is about same as the moon in the

1946
01:25:58,870 --> 01:25:56,990
asteroid belt very small amount of metal

1947
01:26:01,950 --> 01:25:58,880
sail but compared to what we normally

1948
01:26:04,229 --> 01:26:01,960
use here on earth it's staggering it's

1949
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:04,239
huge you know we talked about megatons

1950
01:26:11,690 --> 01:26:06,370
of steel production forget that the

1951
01:26:17,459 --> 01:26:11,700
earth is a billion trillion tons of mass

1952
01:26:19,290 --> 01:26:17,469
right and the you don't have to this is

1953
01:26:21,030 --> 01:26:19,300
the other point with this is it's

1954
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:21,040
getting it off of the earth you got to

1955
01:26:24,420 --> 01:26:22,810
get it out of the earth first

1956
01:26:27,060 --> 01:26:24,430
yeah but then you've got to get it off

1957
01:26:30,060 --> 01:26:27,070
planet right you've got to get it up

1958
01:26:32,610 --> 01:26:30,070
into Earth orbit low Earth orbit to

1959
01:26:34,530 --> 01:26:32,620
start to build these ships or to the

1960
01:26:36,150 --> 01:26:34,540
moon a funny thing is in many cases

1961
01:26:38,100 --> 01:26:36,160
gonna be easier to get material back

1962
01:26:39,930 --> 01:26:38,110
from the asteroid belt on the moon into

1963
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:39,940
orbit around or that is to get up from

1964
01:26:43,380 --> 01:26:41,050
Earth when it's only a hundred

1965
01:26:45,510 --> 01:26:43,390
kilometers away so hundred million

1966
01:26:47,430 --> 01:26:45,520
kilometers away pick up an asteroid and

1967
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:47,440
bring it back to orbit around or easier

1968
01:26:51,810 --> 01:26:48,730
than you might be gonna bring a mountain

1969
01:26:55,050 --> 01:26:51,820
up from Earth and there was only about

1970
01:26:57,300 --> 01:26:55,060
1% of 1% of the material in the asteroid

1971
01:27:00,360 --> 01:26:57,310
belt that the earth has but it's still

1972
01:27:04,050 --> 01:27:00,370
millions of times what we normally use

1973
01:27:06,450 --> 01:27:04,060
so what et would be doing is out there

1974
01:27:08,910 --> 01:27:06,460
with their interstellar craft would be

1975
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:08,920
seeking out asteroids they wouldn't

1976
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:11,650
necessarily be looking for planets that

1977
01:27:15,770 --> 01:27:13,570
wouldn't necessarily be a first choice

1978
01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:15,780
would it that would be able to find

1979
01:27:20,220 --> 01:27:18,370
plants have no value at all to a

1980
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:20,230
civilization unless they were interested

1981
01:27:24,959 --> 01:27:23,290
in the biology on them and you know if

1982
01:27:26,550 --> 01:27:24,969
you want that biology or that alt and

1983
01:27:28,350 --> 01:27:26,560
culture let's say oh they're grades but

1984
01:27:30,030 --> 01:27:28,360
otherwise a planet is just one big

1985
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:30,040
lumberyard that's in conveniently

1986
01:27:33,510 --> 01:27:31,930
located far from the exit ramp but you

1987
01:27:34,650 --> 01:27:33,520
go for the asteroids forced then you go

1988
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:34,660
for the moons then you go for the

1989
01:27:38,490 --> 01:27:36,850
planets then you go for the Sun itself

1990
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:38,500
and usually you can get a lot of metal

1991
01:27:42,750 --> 01:27:39,730
out of the Sun if you want to a

1992
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:42,760
lumberyard I like that okay and also

1993
01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:48,850
there's one other point water we're sure

1994
01:27:53,430 --> 01:27:51,489
we've got a lot of water on this planet

1995
01:27:55,440 --> 01:27:53,440
but there's a lot of water just floating

1996
01:27:57,420 --> 01:27:55,450
around in space floating around in space

1997
01:27:59,820 --> 01:27:57,430
you don't have to go to a planet earth

1998
01:28:01,709 --> 01:27:59,830
is unique in the inner solar system and

1999
01:28:03,450 --> 01:28:01,719
it has large amounts of accessible water

2000
01:28:05,010 --> 01:28:03,460
that's real and you know solar system

2001
01:28:06,570 --> 01:28:05,020
because hydrogen is really no solar

2002
01:28:08,040 --> 01:28:06,580
system but it's the most plentiful stuff

2003
01:28:09,510 --> 01:28:08,050
in the universe and the third most

2004
01:28:12,450 --> 01:28:09,520
plentiful stuff in the universe is

2005
01:28:14,340 --> 01:28:12,460
oxygen and they are they are quasars out

2006
01:28:15,089 --> 01:28:14,350
there that push out entire plants were

2007
01:28:21,180 --> 01:28:15,099
the

2008
01:28:23,250 --> 01:28:21,190
inner solar system Neos tall as well

2009
01:28:25,770 --> 01:28:23,260
tends to get blown away I need to take a

2010
01:28:28,709 --> 01:28:25,780
break right here Isaac Isaac Arthur is

2011
01:28:30,390 --> 01:28:28,719
our guest we are discussing the Fermi

2012
01:28:31,950 --> 01:28:30,400
paradox and they're about halfway

2013
01:28:34,470 --> 01:28:31,960
through Isaac we're doing pretty good

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here we're doing pretty good we're

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network and kgr a the planet stay with

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01:33:28,689 --> 01:33:24,920
Jimmy church tonight Isaac Arthur is

2100
01:33:30,689 --> 01:33:28,699
here we're discussing the Fermi paradox

2101
01:33:34,030 --> 01:33:30,699
we're gonna go top to bottom tonight

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01:33:35,830 --> 01:33:34,040
tomorrow night's is Fator night it's

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01:33:49,540 --> 01:33:46,940
open lines Isaac let's continue with the

2108
01:33:52,689 --> 01:33:49,550
question and answer the Fermi paradox

2109
01:33:55,510 --> 01:33:52,699
question is of course with all of this

2110
01:33:57,430 --> 01:33:55,520
action going on in our galaxy in the

2111
01:33:58,180 --> 01:33:57,440
Milky Way with all these planets all

2112
01:34:00,939 --> 01:33:58,190
these stars

2113
01:34:05,140 --> 01:34:00,949
there must be something out there so

2114
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:05,150
where is et where is everybody that's

2115
01:34:13,200 --> 01:34:09,850
the question the next answer is lack of

2116
01:34:18,180 --> 01:34:13,210
resources oh I'm sorry it's cheaper to

2117
01:34:20,169 --> 01:34:18,190
transfer information for exploration

2118
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:20,179
well the problem with transferring

2119
01:34:24,340 --> 01:34:22,010
information is you need a receiver on

2120
01:34:25,689 --> 01:34:24,350
the other end and the other point thing

2121
01:34:27,550 --> 01:34:25,699
is it introduces a false dichotomy

2122
01:34:30,030 --> 01:34:27,560
there's this notion that you might send

2123
01:34:32,530 --> 01:34:30,040
signals information but you can send

2124
01:34:34,570 --> 01:34:32,540
information and that information can be

2125
01:34:36,610 --> 01:34:34,580
a Polson it could be an artificial

2126
01:34:38,290 --> 01:34:36,620
intelligence it might be their

2127
01:34:40,570 --> 01:34:38,300
civilization doesn't even draw a line

2128
01:34:43,450 --> 01:34:40,580
between those things so you might have

2129
01:34:46,060 --> 01:34:43,460
these probes whose only job is to arrive

2130
01:34:47,439 --> 01:34:46,070
at a location then scan buys a scene it

2131
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:47,449
and they say oh there's something here

2132
01:34:51,970 --> 01:34:49,730
and so a follow-up Pope stops they oh

2133
01:34:53,800 --> 01:34:51,980
and it builds a big receiver and you

2134
01:34:55,540 --> 01:34:53,810
transmit in your science team or they're

2135
01:34:58,689 --> 01:34:55,550
just stored there as a drawer Kyle on

2136
01:35:00,220 --> 01:34:58,699
board that ship to begin with right but

2137
01:35:03,459 --> 01:35:00,230
they've been doing that I think they do

2138
01:35:04,660 --> 01:35:03,469
that every day if they do they you know

2139
01:35:06,399 --> 01:35:04,670
that's one of the things where is the

2140
01:35:08,200 --> 01:35:06,409
receiver at we might be looking for that

2141
01:35:09,399 --> 01:35:08,210
and it would be hard to find us you know

2142
01:35:10,840 --> 01:35:09,409
if they were actually a big receiver

2143
01:35:13,180 --> 01:35:10,850
unlike the dark side of the moon for

2144
01:35:15,129 --> 01:35:13,190
instance we probably picked that up by

2145
01:35:16,899 --> 01:35:15,139
now but there's a lot of places that you

2146
01:35:18,459 --> 01:35:16,909
could hide from us in the solar system

2147
01:35:19,870 --> 01:35:18,469
if you're doing something like that and

2148
01:35:21,820 --> 01:35:19,880
of course that implies their monitoring

2149
01:35:23,860 --> 01:35:21,830
so that one's not really a good solution

2150
01:35:24,879 --> 01:35:23,870
not because it's not viable but because

2151
01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:24,889
it more or less follows in the

2152
01:35:28,270 --> 01:35:26,690
categories the other ones that's just

2153
01:35:30,129 --> 01:35:28,280
the way they'd be doing it would say

2154
01:35:31,500 --> 01:35:30,139
they'll post biological they send people

2155
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:31,510
digitally or they

2156
01:35:37,799 --> 01:35:35,010
they teleport them right right but but

2157
01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:37,809
they know that at wright-patt

2158
01:35:43,979 --> 01:35:42,489
I guarantee see this is this is what and

2159
01:35:48,959 --> 01:35:43,989
you and I have talked about this and

2160
01:35:50,660 --> 01:35:48,969
let's be very clear here that the forget

2161
01:35:52,740 --> 01:35:50,670
about the gray goo fridge is

2162
01:35:55,529 --> 01:35:52,750
self-replicating you know let's just put

2163
01:35:58,200 --> 01:35:55,539
all of that aside but jumping from

2164
01:36:00,359 --> 01:35:58,210
planet to planet and from solar system

2165
01:36:03,109 --> 01:36:00,369
to solar system with probes out there

2166
01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:03,119
exploring where you're not wasting

2167
01:36:08,490 --> 01:36:05,530
biological life or building you know

2168
01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:08,500
generational ships and so forth that is

2169
01:36:13,339 --> 01:36:10,690
the way to get it done that's what we

2170
01:36:15,660 --> 01:36:13,349
are attempting to do right now right

2171
01:36:21,450 --> 01:36:15,670
we're doing that in our own solar system

2172
01:36:23,009 --> 01:36:21,460
right now opportunity died today right

2173
01:36:24,839 --> 01:36:23,019
there man oops

2174
01:36:26,189 --> 01:36:24,849
right right people will say oh that's

2175
01:36:28,950 --> 01:36:26,199
gotta be solution when those unmanned

2176
01:36:30,959 --> 01:36:28,960
probes this has one fatal flaw to it it

2177
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:30,969
does walk the system the palm is that's

2178
01:36:35,100 --> 01:36:33,010
not actually as advantageous as most

2179
01:36:36,899 --> 01:36:35,110
people think it does have an edge but

2180
01:36:38,879 --> 01:36:36,909
it's actually a fairly minimal edge so

2181
01:36:40,709 --> 01:36:38,889
it's some other things where if you want

2182
01:36:42,839 --> 01:36:40,719
to do it either way you go with the one

2183
01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:42,849
you prefer to use right now we have a

2184
01:36:46,169 --> 01:36:44,530
big problem keeping people alive in

2185
01:36:47,549 --> 01:36:46,179
space we're not gonna be launching

2186
01:36:50,430 --> 01:36:47,559
calling missions until we've got that

2187
01:36:52,709 --> 01:36:50,440
late in the first place right but if you

2188
01:36:54,240 --> 01:36:52,719
try to send a probe out the only real

2189
01:36:55,830 --> 01:36:54,250
advantage because it still has to stop

2190
01:36:58,500 --> 01:36:55,840
at the other end is that it could

2191
01:36:59,609 --> 01:36:58,510
accelerate and decelerate faster well

2192
01:37:01,589 --> 01:36:59,619
you really don't spend that much time

2193
01:37:03,299 --> 01:37:01,599
accelerating or decelerating on

2194
01:37:05,399 --> 01:37:03,309
interstellar trips because you get up to

2195
01:37:07,169 --> 01:37:05,409
speed and you know even for a biological

2196
01:37:09,089 --> 01:37:07,179
life-form we're only doing one g of

2197
01:37:11,370 --> 01:37:09,099
acceleration you up to near light speed

2198
01:37:12,660 --> 01:37:11,380
after just one year of acceleration and

2199
01:37:13,290 --> 01:37:12,670
that's how it takes you slow down -

2200
01:37:14,700 --> 01:37:13,300
mm-hmm

2201
01:37:16,379 --> 01:37:14,710
and you still have to slow down the

2202
01:37:18,330 --> 01:37:16,389
other side these space probes don't get

2203
01:37:19,500 --> 01:37:18,340
to magically you know going to orbit

2204
01:37:21,569 --> 01:37:19,510
around a planet they have to slow down

2205
01:37:24,689 --> 01:37:21,579
and they have to slow down even do a

2206
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:24,699
decent flyby because it takes time with

2207
01:37:29,100 --> 01:37:26,650
anything like that to actually get a

2208
01:37:31,229 --> 01:37:29,110
good photograph these exposure time if

2209
01:37:33,569 --> 01:37:31,239
it flies through some solar system at

2210
01:37:35,370 --> 01:37:33,579
you know nearly the speed of light it's

2211
01:37:37,620 --> 01:37:35,380
only got a few hours to survey that

2212
01:37:40,589 --> 01:37:37,630
place and it's gonna have Hubble level

2213
01:37:41,939 --> 01:37:40,599
stuff just to get a decent picture not a

2214
01:37:44,100 --> 01:37:41,949
good picture you know just be able to

2215
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:44,110
get like one there you can tell that

2216
01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:45,290
Mars has constant

2217
01:37:51,490 --> 01:37:48,290
oh sure and I don't want to stop I

2218
01:37:55,510 --> 01:37:51,500
totally get that I totally get that

2219
01:37:58,690 --> 01:37:55,520
but I cannot escape from and I will not

2220
01:38:01,300 --> 01:37:58,700
back off of this thought that there has

2221
01:38:04,930 --> 01:38:01,310
to be there it's not like there might be

2222
01:38:06,670 --> 01:38:04,940
there has to be literally tens of

2223
01:38:10,170 --> 01:38:06,680
thousands of intelligent civilizations

2224
01:38:13,690 --> 01:38:10,180
out here that are building

2225
01:38:16,120 --> 01:38:13,700
self-replicating probes that are out

2226
01:38:18,310 --> 01:38:16,130
scanning the universe mapping it and

2227
01:38:20,500 --> 01:38:18,320
just checking out to see what is cool

2228
01:38:22,630 --> 01:38:20,510
that is it I won't accept anything else

2229
01:38:24,130 --> 01:38:22,640
and would take it as a given that that's

2230
01:38:25,960 --> 01:38:24,140
the first step that's what I would do

2231
01:38:28,330 --> 01:38:25,970
I'd send out a series of self up game

2232
01:38:30,340 --> 01:38:28,340
pose with very limited intelligence dumb

2233
01:38:31,270 --> 01:38:30,350
within door knobs it might be a threat

2234
01:38:32,860 --> 01:38:31,280
if you don't want to send out really

2235
01:38:35,530 --> 01:38:32,870
advanced puzzle you might decide to come

2236
01:38:37,270 --> 01:38:35,540
home but then the follow up on that is

2237
01:38:39,700 --> 01:38:37,280
you've got these probes that can build

2238
01:38:41,830 --> 01:38:39,710
more themselves around other star

2239
01:38:43,690 --> 01:38:41,840
systems if you've got that it's even

2240
01:38:45,790 --> 01:38:43,700
easier to tell those probes to go

2241
01:38:47,680 --> 01:38:45,800
pinpoint that asteroid in your own solar

2242
01:38:50,110 --> 01:38:47,690
system and say make me a gigantic

2243
01:38:52,210 --> 01:38:50,120
spaceship I can put people on board sure

2244
01:38:53,500 --> 01:38:52,220
the same technology yes it's the same

2245
01:38:54,790 --> 01:38:53,510
thing it's the same thing there's

2246
01:38:57,760 --> 01:38:54,800
there's no question about it

2247
01:39:00,430 --> 01:38:57,770
and that's why when I go out and I'm

2248
01:39:02,590 --> 01:39:00,440
seeing the things that I'm seeing and

2249
01:39:04,270 --> 01:39:02,600
then others are seeing too as well this

2250
01:39:05,710 --> 01:39:04,280
is not you know I'm not the only person

2251
01:39:07,780 --> 01:39:05,720
in the world that's out there with night

2252
01:39:09,550 --> 01:39:07,790
vision goggles and wondering what the

2253
01:39:13,420 --> 01:39:09,560
heck is flying up there in the dark I

2254
01:39:17,950 --> 01:39:13,430
see it myself and I just have to do most

2255
01:39:20,230 --> 01:39:17,960
of it is ours okay I get that part of it

2256
01:39:22,030 --> 01:39:20,240
but it's the is the one or two or three

2257
01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:22,040
or four things that you see in a night

2258
01:39:28,720 --> 01:39:25,970
that you cannot explain and I'm just

2259
01:39:30,220 --> 01:39:28,730
naturally think that that's strana me

2260
01:39:31,150 --> 01:39:30,230
yeah I mean there we always come across

2261
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:31,160
things we can't explain

2262
01:39:34,180 --> 01:39:32,690
sometimes we explain them with natural

2263
01:39:35,620 --> 01:39:34,190
solutions we got a lot of things we've

2264
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:35,630
been sitting on for you know a good

2265
01:39:39,460 --> 01:39:37,850
century that we haven't gotten entirely

2266
01:39:41,560 --> 01:39:39,470
good solutions to yet and we got plenty

2267
01:39:43,180 --> 01:39:41,570
we have solved we never say that these

2268
01:39:44,380 --> 01:39:43,190
things cannot go least we should not be

2269
01:39:46,240 --> 01:39:44,390
saying that these things cannot be

2270
01:39:47,860 --> 01:39:46,250
intelligent we always want to go out the

2271
01:39:49,120 --> 01:39:47,870
checklist though and try to rule out all

2272
01:39:51,790 --> 01:39:49,130
the natural ones because they teach us

2273
01:39:53,980 --> 01:39:51,800
science and you know that's that's how

2274
01:39:55,090 --> 01:39:53,990
when alone these things but CD number

2275
01:39:56,490 --> 01:39:55,100
these things you know if someone tells

2276
01:39:59,169 --> 01:39:56,500
me I don't know what that is in the sky

2277
01:40:00,969 --> 01:39:59,179
what's the answer any buddy gives that's

2278
01:40:02,739 --> 01:40:00,979
good and so is well let's find house I

2279
01:40:04,750 --> 01:40:02,749
know I know I can't assume what it is

2280
01:40:06,910 --> 01:40:04,760
you find out what it is I can't wait

2281
01:40:08,379 --> 01:40:06,920
until one night you're gonna come out

2282
01:40:11,890 --> 01:40:08,389
with us right we're gonna go out and

2283
01:40:14,259 --> 01:40:11,900
we're just gonna hang out and imagine

2284
01:40:15,790 --> 01:40:14,269
this for a second I'm gonna give you 30

2285
01:40:19,120 --> 01:40:15,800
seconds and we got to get to the next

2286
01:40:21,069 --> 01:40:19,130
question is this imagine you and I

2287
01:40:23,560 --> 01:40:21,079
standing with a group of people let's

2288
01:40:25,449 --> 01:40:23,570
say 20 people and we're standing there

2289
01:40:28,540 --> 01:40:25,459
and we're looking up at the stars and

2290
01:40:29,709 --> 01:40:28,550
then in front of you taking up above you

2291
01:40:34,299 --> 01:40:29,719
at 12 o'clock

2292
01:40:37,419 --> 01:40:34,309
taking up 60 degrees of the sky right as

2293
01:40:39,929 --> 01:40:37,429
far apart as you can put your your your

2294
01:40:42,939 --> 01:40:39,939
hands right your hands three feet apart

2295
01:40:48,540 --> 01:40:42,949
above you at about five thousand feet

2296
01:40:52,660 --> 01:40:48,550
and then suddenly an aquamarine ball

2297
01:40:57,189 --> 01:40:52,670
sputters lights up and in two seconds

2298
01:41:01,479 --> 01:40:57,199
two goes from right to left

2299
01:41:05,140 --> 01:41:01,489
stops goes down and zags and then

2300
01:41:08,500 --> 01:41:05,150
continues and does a backwards Z in the

2301
01:41:11,919 --> 01:41:08,510
sky sputters out flashes it's high beams

2302
01:41:14,169 --> 01:41:11,929
and then flies away just like a SAP

2303
01:41:15,879 --> 01:41:14,179
now you're gonna go you're gonna turn

2304
01:41:18,580 --> 01:41:15,889
you're gonna turn to me and go well that

2305
01:41:20,879 --> 01:41:18,590
wasn't a meteor that wasn't a satellite

2306
01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:20,889
that wasn't a plane that wasn't a

2307
01:41:26,859 --> 01:41:24,530
helicopter that wasn't a rocket that was

2308
01:41:29,439 --> 01:41:26,869
I don't know what the hell that was

2309
01:41:31,959 --> 01:41:29,449
Jimmy and and so when you see something

2310
01:41:35,199 --> 01:41:31,969
like that that's what I'm saying I'm not

2311
01:41:38,169 --> 01:41:35,209
talking about any kind of natural no it

2312
01:41:40,060 --> 01:41:38,179
is something that you you Isaac will

2313
01:41:42,489 --> 01:41:40,070
have problems with and it's a life

2314
01:41:44,469 --> 01:41:42,499
changing event so I don't doubt it

2315
01:41:45,729 --> 01:41:44,479
and somebody see something like that the

2316
01:41:47,529 --> 01:41:45,739
cool thing that everyone should be

2317
01:41:49,689 --> 01:41:47,539
thinking is let's find out what that is

2318
01:41:51,370 --> 01:41:49,699
and we don't go with any preconceptions

2319
01:41:53,229 --> 01:41:51,380
it may be it's artificial maybe it's

2320
01:41:55,000 --> 01:41:53,239
natural we don't want to assume either

2321
01:41:57,759 --> 01:41:55,010
one the skeptic can get in the habit of

2322
01:41:59,529 --> 01:41:57,769
just saying this must be natural and

2323
01:42:00,819 --> 01:41:59,539
that's in many ways just as bad

2324
01:42:02,739 --> 01:42:00,829
reasoning as to simply assume

2325
01:42:04,419 --> 01:42:02,749
automatically that it must be artificial

2326
01:42:06,549 --> 01:42:04,429
absolutely the truth is what the truth

2327
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:06,559
is you find out what it is and you never

2328
01:42:09,910 --> 01:42:08,090
go into these things just assuming it's

2329
01:42:12,489 --> 01:42:09,920
gotta be X Y or Z and we're all guilty

2330
01:42:13,220 --> 01:42:12,499
of doing that it's so easy from either

2331
01:42:15,350 --> 01:42:13,230
angle these

2332
01:42:18,260 --> 01:42:15,360
haven't want to be what it is that you

2333
01:42:20,840 --> 01:42:18,270
want to be and the real science is never

2334
01:42:22,729 --> 01:42:20,850
know and what it is it's saying what the

2335
01:42:23,780 --> 01:42:22,739
heck was that that was surprising you

2336
01:42:25,640 --> 01:42:23,790
know that's what you go to find out

2337
01:42:28,010 --> 01:42:25,650
these new things from yeah with that

2338
01:42:30,950 --> 01:42:28,020
what I just described to you happened

2339
01:42:33,260 --> 01:42:30,960
with 200 people and we were all standing

2340
01:42:36,680 --> 01:42:33,270
there we all saw it and we all screamed

2341
01:42:38,750 --> 01:42:36,690
at the same time and and I'm not going

2342
01:42:42,410 --> 01:42:38,760
to take that experience away from

2343
01:42:44,600 --> 01:42:42,420
anybody I need to continue to talk about

2344
01:42:46,670 --> 01:42:44,610
it because I can't explain it Arthur

2345
01:42:52,370 --> 01:42:46,680
I keep saying Arthur I have a cousin

2346
01:42:55,130 --> 01:42:53,479
I can't explain it

2347
01:42:57,860 --> 01:42:55,140
Isaac okay let's go to the next one here

2348
01:43:01,550 --> 01:42:57,870
we go all right question

2349
01:43:06,440 --> 01:43:01,560
so where is et where is everybody

2350
01:43:10,250 --> 01:43:06,450
answer humans have not existed long

2351
01:43:12,020 --> 01:43:10,260
enough well we've been around for a

2352
01:43:14,390 --> 01:43:12,030
million years that's an eye blink across

2353
01:43:16,910 --> 01:43:14,400
the span of galaxies but you know that's

2354
01:43:18,620 --> 01:43:16,920
still a pretty decently long time if we

2355
01:43:20,120 --> 01:43:18,630
assuming nobody pops up more often that

2356
01:43:21,979 --> 01:43:20,130
or they don't spread out this basically

2357
01:43:24,650 --> 01:43:21,989
just follows back that same issue of is

2358
01:43:26,720 --> 01:43:24,660
space travel possible because we can go

2359
01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:26,730
out there on colonize the galaxy it

2360
01:43:29,630 --> 01:43:28,170
doesn't matter if your original home

2361
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:29,640
planet only asked for a thousand years

2362
01:43:32,840 --> 01:43:31,290
or not some of those splint or County

2363
01:43:34,640 --> 01:43:32,850
Ward's are going to have survived and

2364
01:43:37,670 --> 01:43:34,650
come back up from nothing if they had to

2365
01:43:39,560 --> 01:43:37,680
so it's kind of notion is you know if

2366
01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:39,570
you'll still exploring the galaxy you

2367
01:43:43,460 --> 01:43:41,610
know finding aliens wait because

2368
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:43,470
eventually you will they might be from

2369
01:43:46,970 --> 01:43:44,970
your planet originally but they're going

2370
01:43:48,710 --> 01:43:46,980
to be left behind whatever you have a

2371
01:43:50,360 --> 01:43:48,720
colony situation and we have this but

2372
01:43:52,160 --> 01:43:50,370
like if Earth might have been one of

2373
01:43:54,350 --> 01:43:52,170
their colonies and say well if it was

2374
01:43:55,850 --> 01:43:54,360
they either had to bioform us an example

2375
01:43:57,229 --> 01:43:55,860
where they take the existing things and

2376
01:43:59,000 --> 01:43:57,239
just kind of change it to be more like

2377
01:44:01,550 --> 01:43:59,010
themselves right all they had to do it

2378
01:44:03,350 --> 01:44:01,560
four billion years ago but if we Oh

2379
01:44:04,670 --> 01:44:03,360
example such a County what about all the

2380
01:44:06,920 --> 01:44:04,680
others I mean you probably won't the

2381
01:44:08,990 --> 01:44:06,930
only one named Bobby did that thousands

2382
01:44:10,700 --> 01:44:09,000
for millions of times right are we just

2383
01:44:12,650 --> 01:44:10,710
the first ones that build ourselves back

2384
01:44:14,030 --> 01:44:12,660
up from some catastrophe and the net

2385
01:44:15,950 --> 01:44:14,040
just kind of kicks the ball back because

2386
01:44:16,940 --> 01:44:15,960
we'd be saying oh well the other Force

2387
01:44:18,890 --> 01:44:16,950
Ones what about all the other

2388
01:44:21,770 --> 01:44:18,900
civilizations won't they are others that

2389
01:44:23,810 --> 01:44:21,780
evolved too or you know they did it and

2390
01:44:25,700 --> 01:44:23,820
we did it and if we did it from then

2391
01:44:27,200 --> 01:44:25,710
where all the other colonies they made

2392
01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:27,210
and where all the other super

2393
01:44:31,490 --> 01:44:29,850
that start on their own so that's kind

2394
01:44:33,800 --> 01:44:31,500
of the issue with the use sort of short

2395
01:44:35,060 --> 01:44:33,810
time exposure once you get life in place

2396
01:44:36,830 --> 01:44:35,070
that can actually go out there and

2397
01:44:37,750 --> 01:44:36,840
colonize the galaxy assuming that's

2398
01:44:42,380 --> 01:44:37,760
possible

2399
01:44:44,600 --> 01:44:42,390
what's making it go away next answer of

2400
01:44:48,110 --> 01:44:44,610
course to the question so where is

2401
01:44:51,500 --> 01:44:48,120
everybody where is ZT well we just

2402
01:44:53,570 --> 01:44:51,510
aren't listening properly that's

2403
01:44:55,460 --> 01:44:53,580
entirely possible we don't know we know

2404
01:44:58,070 --> 01:44:55,470
we've been playing the science game for

2405
01:45:01,190 --> 01:44:58,080
at best 400 years we could be a BB kind

2406
01:45:02,810 --> 01:45:01,200
and give another couple thousand and in

2407
01:45:04,970 --> 01:45:02,820
that time we have discovered stuff that

2408
01:45:06,440 --> 01:45:04,980
we wouldn't never imagine and while I

2409
01:45:08,510 --> 01:45:06,450
always try to focus on the stuff that's

2410
01:45:10,130 --> 01:45:08,520
inside known science right now I never

2411
01:45:12,050 --> 01:45:10,140
pretend for a moment that I actually

2412
01:45:13,460 --> 01:45:12,060
expect that a couple of centuries from

2413
01:45:15,620 --> 01:45:13,470
now we want to discover something that

2414
01:45:17,540 --> 01:45:15,630
will just shock and blow my mind mm-hmm

2415
01:45:19,490 --> 01:45:17,550
and to be honest I think most of all

2416
01:45:21,260 --> 01:45:19,500
core physical laws are going to stay in

2417
01:45:22,700 --> 01:45:21,270
place because most of us have not really

2418
01:45:25,220 --> 01:45:22,710
changed that much Newton need a little

2419
01:45:27,440 --> 01:45:25,230
bit of adaptation and Einstein's held up

2420
01:45:28,340 --> 01:45:27,450
pretty solidly for the last century but

2421
01:45:30,380 --> 01:45:28,350
we could have something come by just

2422
01:45:33,290 --> 01:45:30,390
knock over the whole house of cards and

2423
01:45:34,610 --> 01:45:33,300
if that's the case you know if we have

2424
01:45:36,170 --> 01:45:34,620
something much much better than radio

2425
01:45:39,680 --> 01:45:36,180
we're not really gonna use the radio

2426
01:45:41,330 --> 01:45:39,690
very much and so how will we listen for

2427
01:45:43,100 --> 01:45:41,340
what they all listening to and that's

2428
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:43,110
where we get into more the die sonne and

2429
01:45:46,310 --> 01:45:44,610
SETI things where you're not looking for

2430
01:45:48,290 --> 01:45:46,320
the active signal as these civilizations

2431
01:45:51,530 --> 01:45:48,300
send off but things like their waste

2432
01:45:53,210 --> 01:45:51,540
heat or you who hides a civilization is

2433
01:45:54,650 --> 01:45:53,220
always the question there are so many

2434
01:45:57,080 --> 01:45:54,660
ways to find them and people say well

2435
01:45:59,260 --> 01:45:57,090
maybe they're hiding and we say why

2436
01:46:01,730 --> 01:45:59,270
would you hide name me one civilization

2437
01:46:03,080 --> 01:46:01,740
rather than the Sentinelese that

2438
01:46:04,430 --> 01:46:03,090
actually hides neither they don't

2439
01:46:06,500 --> 01:46:04,440
actually hide they're just hostile

2440
01:46:08,390 --> 01:46:06,510
Darfur knows who come to the island most

2441
01:46:10,250 --> 01:46:08,400
cities not only don't hide and can be

2442
01:46:11,960 --> 01:46:10,260
detected so many different ways the

2443
01:46:13,580 --> 01:46:11,970
easiest way to detect them is all the

2444
01:46:16,420 --> 01:46:13,590
billboards they put up encourage you to

2445
01:46:18,350 --> 01:46:16,430
come visit that's correct

2446
01:46:19,760 --> 01:46:18,360
sensations out there that do want to

2447
01:46:21,860 --> 01:46:19,770
hide but what about all the other ones

2448
01:46:25,400 --> 01:46:21,870
that don't and we have to look at

2449
01:46:27,110 --> 01:46:25,410
ourselves here in that we you just said

2450
01:46:29,180 --> 01:46:27,120
it we've been dealing with radio for a

2451
01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:29,190
hundred years right we're very close to

2452
01:46:34,489 --> 01:46:31,770
not using it at all anymore even though

2453
01:46:39,350 --> 01:46:34,499
I'm a radio broadcaster

2454
01:46:41,859 --> 01:46:39,360
but we will figure out ways eventually

2455
01:46:44,660 --> 01:46:41,869
in a hundred years there could be zero

2456
01:46:47,899 --> 01:46:44,670
communication going through the ether

2457
01:46:50,540 --> 01:46:47,909
that we will be done another way and

2458
01:46:53,660 --> 01:46:50,550
that would mean we would have to assume

2459
01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:53,670
that et went through the same processes

2460
01:46:57,109 --> 01:46:55,530
and the way that they communicate now

2461
01:46:59,509 --> 01:46:57,119
has nothing to do with us

2462
01:47:01,129 --> 01:46:59,519
today we see even ultimately that one

2463
01:47:02,719 --> 01:47:01,139
walk because we got two problems with

2464
01:47:04,969 --> 01:47:02,729
that force we do have a lot of things

2465
01:47:07,399 --> 01:47:04,979
that kick around long after there are no

2466
01:47:09,979 --> 01:47:07,409
more parent lifespan I'll be taking

2467
01:47:10,850 --> 01:47:09,989
video step back when TV killed the

2468
01:47:12,919 --> 01:47:10,860
radiostar

2469
01:47:15,109 --> 01:47:12,929
sure I'm sure that hasn't happened yet

2470
01:47:17,180 --> 01:47:15,119
it's never going to happen entirely for

2471
01:47:19,219 --> 01:47:17,190
the same reason we still have people

2472
01:47:22,700 --> 01:47:19,229
making vintage people and having

2473
01:47:24,140 --> 01:47:22,710
Renaissance Fairs and also the secretary

2474
01:47:25,939 --> 01:47:24,150
on that is even assuming you don't have

2475
01:47:27,439 --> 01:47:25,949
a bunch of civilizations that just have

2476
01:47:29,569 --> 01:47:27,449
little villages that still like to

2477
01:47:31,219 --> 01:47:29,579
communicate by radio you're gonna have

2478
01:47:33,140 --> 01:47:31,229
some people in that civilization they

2479
01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:33,150
want to talk to other people and we

2480
01:47:37,459 --> 01:47:35,610
broadcast you on radio anyway for that

2481
01:47:39,979 --> 01:47:37,469
not to walk you have to then assume they

2482
01:47:42,259 --> 01:47:39,989
don't want to be horde a civilization

2483
01:47:44,629 --> 01:47:42,269
that doesn't mind being horde but just

2484
01:47:46,640 --> 01:47:44,639
doesn't use radio anymore will still be

2485
01:47:47,989 --> 01:47:46,650
visible because they're not hiding they

2486
01:47:49,759 --> 01:47:47,999
just don't use our method of

2487
01:47:51,919 --> 01:47:49,769
communication and they know a lot of

2488
01:47:53,660 --> 01:47:51,929
civilizations will use that too so

2489
01:47:56,359 --> 01:47:53,670
they're broadcast on that to say hello

2490
01:47:58,489 --> 01:47:56,369
they have to be hiding and not use radio

2491
01:48:02,719 --> 01:47:58,499
for that one to walk there was an

2492
01:48:05,120 --> 01:48:02,729
episode of the Orval which I love I

2493
01:48:07,189 --> 01:48:05,130
think that it's a great show great show

2494
01:48:10,790 --> 01:48:07,199
and you remember the episode from a

2495
01:48:12,379 --> 01:48:10,800
couple of weeks ago where they they you

2496
01:48:13,910 --> 01:48:12,389
know they find it you know a new

2497
01:48:15,919 --> 01:48:13,920
uncharted planet they go down there's a

2498
01:48:17,270 --> 01:48:15,929
life-form detected and a civilization

2499
01:48:22,370 --> 01:48:17,280
that come down and everything is cool

2500
01:48:25,219 --> 01:48:22,380
but they didn't want to be found

2501
01:48:29,330 --> 01:48:25,229
right and they couldn't believe end and

2502
01:48:30,560 --> 01:48:29,340
that was their thing well so I got hung

2503
01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:30,570
up on you saying that they it was an

2504
01:48:33,069 --> 01:48:31,530
episode of a couple weeks ago is this

2505
01:48:37,879 --> 01:48:33,079
season to come out already

2506
01:48:40,700 --> 01:48:37,889
yes oh no you're messing with me Isaac

2507
01:48:42,290 --> 01:48:40,710
don't even mess with me I often wait to

2508
01:48:45,770 --> 01:48:42,300
see for the entire season come out but I

2509
01:48:53,419 --> 01:48:49,609
man okay okay well it was just that

2510
01:48:57,109 --> 01:48:53,429
where civilizations you know tend to

2511
01:49:00,080 --> 01:48:57,119
isolate themselves and that's exactly

2512
01:49:02,410 --> 01:49:00,090
what this episode of the Oroville was

2513
01:49:05,689 --> 01:49:02,420
dealing with a fully advanced upright

2514
01:49:09,109 --> 01:49:05,699
technically advanced civilization

2515
01:49:11,540 --> 01:49:09,119
right but they just didn't want to be

2516
01:49:13,310 --> 01:49:11,550
found out they just want to be left

2517
01:49:15,560 --> 01:49:13,320
alone and here's the problem with that

2518
01:49:18,020 --> 01:49:15,570
that's possible but it wouldn't there's

2519
01:49:19,669 --> 01:49:18,030
a few problems we have with this forced

2520
01:49:21,859 --> 01:49:19,679
is it's assuming everyone does if you

2521
01:49:23,990 --> 01:49:21,869
got thousands civilizations it doesn't

2522
01:49:26,450 --> 01:49:24,000
matter of hundreds of them hide and the

2523
01:49:28,580 --> 01:49:26,460
other found though is hiding is not the

2524
01:49:30,350 --> 01:49:28,590
best way to be left alone we say I don't

2525
01:49:32,540 --> 01:49:30,360
want to be talked to these people I'm

2526
01:49:34,430 --> 01:49:32,550
gonna hide if you want to be left alone

2527
01:49:36,950 --> 01:49:34,440
in your cabin in the woods you stick up

2528
01:49:39,740 --> 01:49:36,960
no trespassing signs and you do this for

2529
01:49:41,299 --> 01:49:39,750
a very simple reason one it keeps people

2530
01:49:44,029 --> 01:49:41,309
from actually coming by for the most

2531
01:49:46,399 --> 01:49:44,039
part most people respect that and two it

2532
01:49:48,229 --> 01:49:46,409
means if they still invade and they

2533
01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:48,239
still come by be curious and you shoot

2534
01:49:51,500 --> 01:49:50,010
at them to meet them go away or you

2535
01:49:54,589 --> 01:49:51,510
don't help them if they run out of fuel

2536
01:49:57,020 --> 01:49:54,599
right nobody can come by and say you

2537
01:49:58,819 --> 01:49:57,030
screwed all citizens over if I got a big

2538
01:50:01,220 --> 01:49:58,829
galactic battle fleet and I hear that

2539
01:50:03,260 --> 01:50:01,230
you've destroyed one of my exploration

2540
01:50:05,029 --> 01:50:03,270
ships that was there peacefully I might

2541
01:50:07,549 --> 01:50:05,039
come by with that fleet to have a

2542
01:50:09,319 --> 01:50:07,559
conversation about your manners whereas

2543
01:50:11,270 --> 01:50:09,329
if there was a no trespassing sign up or

2544
01:50:13,339 --> 01:50:11,280
a signal saying leave us alone we don't

2545
01:50:15,020 --> 01:50:13,349
want to talk to you things are a lot

2546
01:50:16,549 --> 01:50:15,030
easier everyone who respects that sort

2547
01:50:17,990 --> 01:50:16,559
of thing is gonna leave you be and

2548
01:50:19,700 --> 01:50:18,000
everyone who doesn't you've got

2549
01:50:21,140 --> 01:50:19,710
authorization to shoot at without most

2550
01:50:23,390 --> 01:50:21,150
people sign that you need to get shot

2551
01:50:25,399 --> 01:50:23,400
yourself right if you want to be left

2552
01:50:29,149 --> 01:50:25,409
alone the best thing to do is put up a

2553
01:50:32,390 --> 01:50:29,159
sign says no solicitors make sense it

2554
01:50:36,549 --> 01:50:32,400
absolutely makes sense and one of want

2555
01:50:40,160 --> 01:50:36,559
to spend to the top of the hour here on

2556
01:50:41,959 --> 01:50:40,170
this next one which is okay where is et

2557
01:50:47,169 --> 01:50:41,969
where is everybody

2558
01:50:49,729 --> 01:50:47,179
and the answer is they're just too alien

2559
01:50:51,830 --> 01:50:49,739
and that is always one of those ones we

2560
01:50:54,169 --> 01:50:51,840
have such a problem with because we

2561
01:50:56,870 --> 01:50:54,179
don't know anything about how aliens

2562
01:50:58,520 --> 01:50:56,880
behave there was a book a few well

2563
01:50:59,629 --> 01:50:58,530
actually it's about thirty years ago the

2564
01:51:01,669 --> 01:50:59,639
killing stall by

2565
01:51:03,109 --> 01:51:01,679
Thomas Pellegrino in that they say

2566
01:51:05,689 --> 01:51:03,119
there's only three things we know about

2567
01:51:08,029 --> 01:51:05,699
aliens for sure and even that's in doubt

2568
01:51:10,100 --> 01:51:08,039
the forced is that they want to survive

2569
01:51:12,020 --> 01:51:10,110
they might be peaceful they might be

2570
01:51:13,609 --> 01:51:12,030
hostile but they want to live more than

2571
01:51:14,839 --> 01:51:13,619
they want you to live so if it comes

2572
01:51:17,270 --> 01:51:14,849
down to it they are going to protect

2573
01:51:18,469 --> 01:51:17,280
themselves forced the second one is

2574
01:51:20,120 --> 01:51:18,479
they're probably going to be very good

2575
01:51:22,489 --> 01:51:20,130
at that because evolution does not

2576
01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:22,499
produce wimps even if they're pacifists

2577
01:51:28,159 --> 01:51:25,050
they're going to be very good at being

2578
01:51:29,540 --> 01:51:28,169
aggressive when they need to be and the

2579
01:51:31,639 --> 01:51:29,550
third one is they're going to know that

2580
01:51:32,270 --> 01:51:31,649
both of those things are true about us

2581
01:51:34,009 --> 01:51:32,280
too

2582
01:51:35,719 --> 01:51:34,019
that you're not gonna have evolution

2583
01:51:37,699 --> 01:51:35,729
produce anything that is you know

2584
01:51:41,449 --> 01:51:37,709
basically just wimpy in that respect

2585
01:51:42,949 --> 01:51:41,459
easy to die out now we can't be sure

2586
01:51:44,839 --> 01:51:42,959
about something even like that there's

2587
01:51:47,120 --> 01:51:44,849
these very few things we just and eating

2588
01:51:48,649 --> 01:51:47,130
beyond that is up for grabs but we're

2589
01:51:50,659 --> 01:51:48,659
saying olio that would be hard for a

2590
01:51:53,330 --> 01:51:50,669
super aggressive species that was just

2591
01:51:56,270 --> 01:51:53,340
incredibly xenophobic to ever become a

2592
01:51:57,620 --> 01:51:56,280
civilization because xenophobia doesn't

2593
01:51:59,479 --> 01:51:57,630
start against aliens no-one's going to

2594
01:52:01,489 --> 01:51:59,489
evolve on their planet afraid of motions

2595
01:52:03,259 --> 01:52:01,499
they don't know what it was all yet that

2596
01:52:05,719 --> 01:52:03,269
kind of xenophobia has to start early on

2597
01:52:07,549 --> 01:52:05,729
meaning you're probably attacking every

2598
01:52:09,439 --> 01:52:07,559
other tribe you come to contact with and

2599
01:52:11,330 --> 01:52:09,449
you are going to be costly it was you

2600
01:52:12,859 --> 01:52:11,340
wanted more of those and you're gonna be

2601
01:52:14,810 --> 01:52:12,869
constantly breaking down from civil wars

2602
01:52:16,370 --> 01:52:14,820
when those folks they don't have the

2603
01:52:18,080 --> 01:52:16,380
right shade of red in their hair or

2604
01:52:20,029 --> 01:52:18,090
something like that how to build a

2605
01:52:22,310 --> 01:52:20,039
civilization that way could happen but

2606
01:52:24,169 --> 01:52:22,320
probably not too often and so we'd say

2607
01:52:26,120 --> 01:52:24,179
you probably have fairly cooperative and

2608
01:52:27,529 --> 01:52:26,130
diplomatic aliens out there they had

2609
01:52:28,790 --> 01:52:27,539
they might not be as much as us they

2610
01:52:31,250 --> 01:52:28,800
might be more than us but they're gonna

2611
01:52:33,319 --> 01:52:31,260
know what these concepts are then we get

2612
01:52:35,389 --> 01:52:33,329
in there really alien stuff though stuff

2613
01:52:37,819 --> 01:52:35,399
that maybe was not evolved but was

2614
01:52:39,109 --> 01:52:37,829
created by the mule Skynet takes over

2615
01:52:42,020 --> 01:52:39,119
the planet and extinguished all the

2616
01:52:43,729 --> 01:52:42,030
humans yes or they just came up a

2617
01:52:46,279 --> 01:52:43,739
completely different pathway to us and

2618
01:52:48,379 --> 01:52:46,289
we wouldn't even recognize you know

2619
01:52:50,419 --> 01:52:48,389
let's say that they came from a parallel

2620
01:52:53,089 --> 01:52:50,429
universe traumas that was just congruous

2621
01:52:54,889 --> 01:52:53,099
with with all congruent with all but

2622
01:52:56,540 --> 01:52:54,899
it's got four dimensions and the math

2623
01:52:58,939 --> 01:52:56,550
there doesn't walk like pi does not

2624
01:53:00,290 --> 01:52:58,949
equal 3.14 you know how would they even

2625
01:53:03,020 --> 01:53:00,300
know how to talk to us because we say

2626
01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:03,030
math is the universal language in this

2627
01:53:09,620 --> 01:53:08,010
universe in ours we don't know even that

2628
01:53:11,330 --> 01:53:09,630
for sure their arguments say maybe math

2629
01:53:14,089 --> 01:53:11,340
is not universal but

2630
01:53:16,339 --> 01:53:14,099
even then just here they all presumably

2631
01:53:17,990 --> 01:53:16,349
places where two plus two equals five if

2632
01:53:20,479 --> 01:53:18,000
you've got the whole multiverse thing

2633
01:53:22,399 --> 01:53:20,489
that has different fiscal hours and in

2634
01:53:23,990 --> 01:53:22,409
that case they might have no way to even

2635
01:53:25,700 --> 01:53:24,000
talk to us that way you know we're not

2636
01:53:27,500 --> 01:53:25,710
gonna we say let's send them prime

2637
01:53:30,770 --> 01:53:27,510
numbers let's send the digits of pi in

2638
01:53:32,570 --> 01:53:30,780
binary and that would walk on anyone in

2639
01:53:34,790 --> 01:53:32,580
this galaxy presumably because the prime

2640
01:53:36,589 --> 01:53:34,800
numbers and pi should be the same but if

2641
01:53:38,750 --> 01:53:36,599
you send Ian into the the other tenth

2642
01:53:39,740 --> 01:53:38,760
dimension they might have no clue what

2643
01:53:42,589 --> 01:53:39,750
you're sending them or that you're

2644
01:53:44,180 --> 01:53:42,599
sending them anything at all and so you

2645
01:53:45,800 --> 01:53:44,190
might not even recognize those but we'd

2646
01:53:49,419 --> 01:53:45,810
otherwise say normally that intelligence

2647
01:53:52,250 --> 01:53:49,429
recognize intelligence I could mistake a

2648
01:53:53,839 --> 01:53:52,260
stone axe for something natural so I'm

2649
01:53:56,570 --> 01:53:53,849
at the Giant's Causeway where it's all

2650
01:53:57,620 --> 01:53:56,580
these big hexagons looks artificial but

2651
01:53:58,910 --> 01:53:57,630
there's a difference between seeing

2652
01:54:01,250 --> 01:53:58,920
something natural that might be

2653
01:54:03,200 --> 01:54:01,260
artificial or vice versa and walking

2654
01:54:05,149 --> 01:54:03,210
into a tool shop and not recognizing

2655
01:54:07,220 --> 01:54:05,159
what it is would you about how aliens

2656
01:54:08,780 --> 01:54:07,230
might think autoStore cat was the

2657
01:54:11,240 --> 01:54:08,790
intelligent dominant life-form and

2658
01:54:13,490 --> 01:54:11,250
that's funny but probably very unlikely

2659
01:54:15,740 --> 01:54:13,500
did have to be very stupid too stupid to

2660
01:54:17,810 --> 01:54:15,750
master space travel not to rapidly

2661
01:54:19,790 --> 01:54:17,820
figure out that the humans were the ones

2662
01:54:22,399 --> 01:54:19,800
that were the intelligent species on

2663
01:54:23,450 --> 01:54:22,409
this planet and once they do they should

2664
01:54:25,459 --> 01:54:23,460
be able to see a pathway for

2665
01:54:26,930 --> 01:54:25,469
communication so we can only have a

2666
01:54:29,089 --> 01:54:26,940
guess on something like because if it's

2667
01:54:30,890 --> 01:54:29,099
alien enough how do you even you know

2668
01:54:33,080 --> 01:54:30,900
you know after them but are they all

2669
01:54:34,459 --> 01:54:33,090
that alien it may not even matter if

2670
01:54:35,839 --> 01:54:34,469
they exist or not because if that you

2671
01:54:37,220 --> 01:54:35,849
can't talk to them they can't talk to

2672
01:54:39,320 --> 01:54:37,230
you you can't even detect each other

2673
01:54:41,419 --> 01:54:39,330
then for all practical purposes you

2674
01:54:45,620 --> 01:54:41,429
really don't exist as far as shuttle can

2675
01:54:48,589 --> 01:54:45,630
so on to never would there is the

2676
01:54:51,200 --> 01:54:48,599
question of us even recognizing us in

2677
01:54:54,740 --> 01:54:51,210
10,000 years and that we may not even

2678
01:54:59,149 --> 01:54:54,750
have these meat sack bodies that we have

2679
01:55:02,359 --> 01:54:59,159
today we could you know presumably turn

2680
01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:02,369
into light beings or energy or even some

2681
01:55:08,270 --> 01:55:05,010
type of Android where we just transfer

2682
01:55:10,580 --> 01:55:08,280
our brains into something completely

2683
01:55:13,010 --> 01:55:10,590
artificial and manufactured but that

2684
01:55:15,589 --> 01:55:13,020
being said we may not even be able to

2685
01:55:18,410 --> 01:55:15,599
recognize ourselves in 10,000 years or

2686
01:55:21,859 --> 01:55:18,420
how to communicate or or anything that

2687
01:55:23,009 --> 01:55:21,869
we do today and if we go off planet and

2688
01:55:25,659 --> 01:55:23,019
and

2689
01:55:28,989 --> 01:55:25,669
encounter something alien it could be

2690
01:55:30,399 --> 01:55:28,999
just as alien as we would be in 10,000

2691
01:55:34,119 --> 01:55:30,409
years in that there would be an

2692
01:55:36,699 --> 01:55:34,129
impossible way to to see or recognize or

2693
01:55:38,169 --> 01:55:36,709
communicate worth for us yeah now

2694
01:55:39,699 --> 01:55:38,179
there's there's the thing on that ain't

2695
01:55:42,009 --> 01:55:39,709
uploaded mind on artificial intelligence

2696
01:55:45,069 --> 01:55:42,019
of a human is digit upload our thumb

2697
01:55:47,080 --> 01:55:45,079
drive teleported back to Rome Romans

2698
01:55:48,669 --> 01:55:47,090
don't know what a thumb drive is let's

2699
01:55:50,439 --> 01:55:48,679
say this is intelligent this is just a

2700
01:55:52,419 --> 01:55:50,449
piece of plastic and what is plastic but

2701
01:55:54,729 --> 01:55:52,429
we know what that is and we know what

2702
01:55:55,689 --> 01:55:54,739
Rome is we would recognize them we can't

2703
01:55:57,909 --> 01:55:55,699
communicate with them

2704
01:55:59,919 --> 01:55:57,919
anyone down the road ten thousand years

2705
01:56:02,290 --> 01:55:59,929
from now should be able to talk to us if

2706
01:56:03,729 --> 01:56:02,300
they want to so again this kind of fun

2707
01:56:06,699 --> 01:56:03,739
way paradox solution where they've kind

2708
01:56:08,859 --> 01:56:06,709
of evolved past us either they just not

2709
01:56:10,239 --> 01:56:08,869
recognize what to us relies on the

2710
01:56:12,219 --> 01:56:10,249
assumption that they don't want to talk

2711
01:56:14,739 --> 01:56:12,229
to us because they should be able to if

2712
01:56:16,330 --> 01:56:14,749
they want to communication only allows

2713
01:56:18,459 --> 01:56:16,340
one of the parties to be able to start

2714
01:56:19,929 --> 01:56:18,469
off the rosetta stone if they don't want

2715
01:56:21,939 --> 01:56:19,939
to talk to us we have a problem if they

2716
01:56:23,250 --> 01:56:21,949
do want to talk to us we don't because

2717
01:56:26,830 --> 01:56:23,260
they should be able to figure out how to

2718
01:56:31,989 --> 01:56:26,840
what do we do with situations like that

2719
01:56:35,619 --> 01:56:31,999
if for instance you know with CDs today

2720
01:56:37,719 --> 01:56:35,629
right DVDs we they're almost useless it

2721
01:56:40,659 --> 01:56:37,729
they were they were only useful for

2722
01:56:43,379 --> 01:56:40,669
about a decade right those any loud disc

2723
01:56:46,599 --> 01:56:43,389
and use them as a as a you know a

2724
01:56:48,489 --> 01:56:46,609
culture I'm doing it right now

2725
01:56:50,109 --> 01:56:48,499
and that's what they'd use them for if

2726
01:56:52,569 --> 01:56:50,119
they found in nature home to what pretty

2727
01:56:56,979 --> 01:56:52,579
Neos these oh yeah they would know what

2728
01:56:58,810 --> 01:56:56,989
to do and so you know a million years

2729
01:57:00,819 --> 01:56:58,820
from now or five hundred thousand years

2730
01:57:01,330 --> 01:57:00,829
from now they they're uncovering these

2731
01:57:03,790 --> 01:57:01,340
things

2732
01:57:05,830 --> 01:57:03,800
there's no way to playback that music or

2733
01:57:07,839 --> 01:57:05,840
there's no way to retrieve the data or

2734
01:57:10,179 --> 01:57:07,849
even to know that that's what they are

2735
01:57:13,270 --> 01:57:10,189
that there is data on those discs that

2736
01:57:14,049 --> 01:57:13,280
would have all of our history there

2737
01:57:16,389 --> 01:57:14,059
right

2738
01:57:17,889 --> 01:57:16,399
the Romans use them as coastal is

2739
01:57:19,659 --> 01:57:17,899
because they don't know what they are we

2740
01:57:21,099 --> 01:57:19,669
use them as coastal us because we don't

2741
01:57:23,080 --> 01:57:21,109
care about them they're useless to us

2742
01:57:25,089 --> 01:57:23,090
exactly if we needed access to them

2743
01:57:27,759 --> 01:57:25,099
though we know how to access them we can

2744
01:57:29,739 --> 01:57:27,769
access those and so there's the thing is

2745
01:57:31,509 --> 01:57:29,749
if we have like you fall civilization

2746
01:57:33,459 --> 01:57:31,519
fell apology and all we had to work with

2747
01:57:34,929 --> 01:57:33,469
was cds and we were knocked back to the

2748
01:57:36,050 --> 01:57:34,939
neolithic level we definitely have a

2749
01:57:37,190 --> 01:57:36,060
problem

2750
01:57:39,260 --> 01:57:37,200
fortunately you have things like books

2751
01:57:41,150 --> 01:57:39,270
and stuff lying around and so there's

2752
01:57:43,130 --> 01:57:41,160
the other aspect we say to olio we said

2753
01:57:44,420 --> 01:57:43,140
they wouldn't use radio anymore and I

2754
01:57:45,650 --> 01:57:44,430
mention how they might have Renaissance

2755
01:57:47,330 --> 01:57:45,660
Fairs that did that a lot of

2756
01:57:49,460 --> 01:57:47,340
civilizations might keep a lot of their

2757
01:57:51,170 --> 01:57:49,470
history around that way for the same

2758
01:57:52,550 --> 01:57:51,180
reason that we you know you got a bunk

2759
01:57:54,680 --> 01:57:52,560
with you build so you might want to have

2760
01:57:56,930 --> 01:57:54,690
Wikipedia on a data stick but you still

2761
01:57:58,760 --> 01:57:56,940
have some hard copy reference books - I

2762
01:58:00,200 --> 01:57:58,770
think a lot of these civilizations would

2763
01:58:03,110 --> 01:58:00,210
tend to keep a lot of the more classic

2764
01:58:05,090 --> 01:58:03,120
stuff around even if for no better

2765
01:58:06,290 --> 01:58:05,100
reason than historical appreciation but

2766
01:58:08,270 --> 01:58:06,300
against that little fear that someone

2767
01:58:09,770 --> 01:58:08,280
might come by and wipe it out that that

2768
01:58:12,020 --> 01:58:09,780
hi-oh technology they're dependent on

2769
01:58:14,030 --> 01:58:12,030
and the other thing about these guys

2770
01:58:15,800 --> 01:58:14,040
they might be nearly immortal but they

2771
01:58:18,260 --> 01:58:15,810
are the process of evolution they want

2772
01:58:21,200 --> 01:58:18,270
to live and we get more and more

2773
01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:21,210
cautious every year because we don't die

2774
01:58:25,100 --> 01:58:22,890
that much you know most of us live to

2775
01:58:26,450 --> 01:58:25,110
our old age these could be fellows who

2776
01:58:28,520 --> 01:58:26,460
could live for millions of years

2777
01:58:30,160 --> 01:58:28,530
potentially because they've got life

2778
01:58:32,420 --> 01:58:30,170
extension technology for instance

2779
01:58:33,740 --> 01:58:32,430
imagine a situation like that where

2780
01:58:34,580 --> 01:58:33,750
you're not afraid of dying of natural

2781
01:58:37,250 --> 01:58:34,590
causes

2782
01:58:40,070 --> 01:58:37,260
and you want to keep living just how

2783
01:58:41,420 --> 01:58:40,080
many measures are you know apropos take

2784
01:58:43,100 --> 01:58:41,430
some pretty extreme measures but these

2785
01:58:45,230 --> 01:58:43,110
guys might laugh at that as reckless

2786
01:58:46,670 --> 01:58:45,240
they probably go to some pretty extreme

2787
01:58:50,270 --> 01:58:46,680
efforts to make sure they are protected

2788
01:58:53,420 --> 01:58:50,280
against cataclysms well that's exactly

2789
01:58:55,760 --> 01:58:53,430
right and and and back to back to your

2790
01:58:59,660 --> 01:58:55,770
point when it comes to this often

2791
01:59:01,730 --> 01:58:59,670
wondered when Sagan you know designed or

2792
01:59:03,260 --> 01:59:01,740
show the designs for a phonograph player

2793
01:59:05,300 --> 01:59:03,270
for the record so they could play it

2794
01:59:08,510 --> 01:59:05,310
back that they would actually understand

2795
01:59:10,160 --> 01:59:08,520
what that said let's take a break right

2796
01:59:11,919 --> 01:59:10,170
here I guess tonight Isaac Arthur stay

2797
01:59:13,689 --> 01:59:11,929
with us

2798
01:59:20,680 --> 01:59:13,699
Ralph at the mental guard on Jimmy

2799
01:59:23,590 --> 01:59:20,690
Church radio calm this is kera digital

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2801
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2803
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2804
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2805
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2806
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2813
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2816
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2820
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2824
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2825
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2827
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2829
02:00:29,790 --> 02:00:28,160
your contact for current news and

2830
02:00:33,730 --> 02:00:29,800
trending topics

2831
02:00:35,830 --> 02:00:33,740
KCRA radio.com does your basement or

2832
02:00:37,540 --> 02:00:35,840
crawlspace have a damp musty smell well

2833
02:00:39,730 --> 02:00:37,550
watch out that's a sign of too much

2834
02:00:41,590 --> 02:00:39,740
moisture and not enough ventilation and

2835
02:00:43,690 --> 02:00:41,600
that can mean increased mold growth and

2836
02:00:45,970 --> 02:00:43,700
the build-up of harmful toxins and gases

2837
02:00:48,100 --> 02:00:45,980
don't bother with a dehumidifier it just

2838
02:00:49,900 --> 02:00:48,110
circulates the same unhealthy air now

2839
02:00:51,790 --> 02:00:49,910
there's a better way to remove these

2840
02:00:54,160 --> 02:00:51,800
dangers and odors it's with the

2841
02:00:55,990 --> 02:00:54,170
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2842
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2843
02:00:59,620 --> 02:00:57,620
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2844
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2845
02:01:04,270 --> 02:01:01,880
only three weeks our basement is dry and

2846
02:01:06,250 --> 02:01:04,280
the musty smell is gone wave units

2847
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2848
02:01:10,600 --> 02:01:08,570
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2849
02:01:12,370 --> 02:01:10,610
a day to run breathe better live

2850
02:01:14,800 --> 02:01:12,380
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2851
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2852
02:01:20,470 --> 02:01:17,150
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2853
02:01:26,180 --> 02:01:20,480
eight seven one seven wabe or visit dry

2854
02:01:32,590 --> 02:01:29,060
we want solutions

2855
02:01:36,890 --> 02:01:34,880
this is Jimmy Church of fade to black

2856
02:01:40,010 --> 02:01:36,900
and I only drink

2857
02:01:42,530 --> 02:01:40,020
fade to black blend coffee from River

2858
02:01:45,470 --> 02:01:42,540
Moon just click on the River Moon coffee

2859
02:01:49,580 --> 02:01:45,480
banner at Jimmy Church radio.com promo

2860
02:01:52,070 --> 02:01:49,590
code f2 b blend so are you tired of

2861
02:01:54,530 --> 02:01:52,080
being tired well then it's time to get

2862
02:01:56,900 --> 02:01:54,540
the tea hey it's Leeza here to tell you

2863
02:01:58,730 --> 02:01:56,910
about this all-natural all organic tea

2864
02:02:00,350 --> 02:01:58,740
I've been drinking that has had great

2865
02:02:03,290 --> 02:02:00,360
results for over 20 years

2866
02:02:05,120 --> 02:02:03,300
it's called life changed tea and it's

2867
02:02:07,730 --> 02:02:05,130
specially formulated to help detoxify

2868
02:02:10,430 --> 02:02:07,740
and cleanse your kidneys liver colon and

2869
02:02:11,810 --> 02:02:10,440
blood all at once the colon is one of

2870
02:02:14,600 --> 02:02:11,820
the most ignored organs in the human

2871
02:02:16,400 --> 02:02:14,610
body the faster that waste is eliminated

2872
02:02:18,410 --> 02:02:16,410
from the body the less time that way

2873
02:02:20,330 --> 02:02:18,420
sits in our intestine spreading toxins

2874
02:02:22,280 --> 02:02:20,340
to our bloodstream this tea helps

2875
02:02:24,530 --> 02:02:22,290
cleanse chemicals caused by outside

2876
02:02:27,200 --> 02:02:24,540
intruders from our entire digestive

2877
02:02:29,540 --> 02:02:27,210
system and get this weight loss can be a

2878
02:02:31,730 --> 02:02:29,550
side effect and with continued use of

2879
02:02:34,160 --> 02:02:31,740
the tea you can experience clearer

2880
02:02:36,830 --> 02:02:34,170
healthier younger looking skin increased

2881
02:02:38,240 --> 02:02:36,840
energy and a happier outlook on life so

2882
02:02:41,120 --> 02:02:38,250
if you're tired of being tired

2883
02:02:45,020 --> 02:02:41,130
get the life change tea at get the tea

2884
02:02:47,930 --> 02:02:45,030
calm that's get the tea calm and like me

2885
02:02:49,670 --> 02:02:47,940
you'll be glad you did did you know that

2886
02:02:51,980 --> 02:02:49,680
when you're on the road with limited

2887
02:02:53,900 --> 02:02:51,990
data or Wi-Fi available you can still

2888
02:02:56,660 --> 02:02:53,910
listen to every minute a fade to black

2889
02:02:59,780 --> 02:02:56,670
by just calling six oh five five six two

2890
02:03:02,090 --> 02:02:59,790
four four eight two no smartphone app or

2891
02:03:04,340 --> 02:03:02,100
internet needed it saves your data plan

2892
02:03:07,700 --> 02:03:04,350
and no extra cost if you have unlimited

2893
02:03:09,980 --> 02:03:07,710
minutes just call six oh five five six

2894
02:03:12,440 --> 02:03:09,990
two four four eight two you can listen

2895
02:03:24,339 --> 02:03:12,450
to me Jimmy Church on any phone anytime

2896
02:03:30,740 --> 02:03:26,629
you wanna know a secret

2897
02:03:33,680 --> 02:03:30,750
I love bullies I really love ponies I'm

2898
02:03:36,939 --> 02:03:33,690
serious I couldn't stay sane without

2899
02:03:43,470 --> 02:03:36,949
poor mr. Brooks why fade to black

2900
02:03:47,439 --> 02:03:45,310
this is fade to black

2901
02:03:51,130 --> 02:03:47,449
with Jimmy Church on the game changer

2902
02:03:58,370 --> 02:03:51,140
radio network and kgr a the global radio

2903
02:04:07,190 --> 02:04:04,810
[Music]

2904
02:04:08,390 --> 02:04:07,200
welcome back fade to black hi I'm your

2905
02:04:13,729 --> 02:04:08,400
host Jimmy Church my guest tonight

2906
02:04:18,170 --> 02:04:13,739
Isaac Arthur and Isaac just did four

2907
02:04:21,170 --> 02:04:18,180
hours hold a poll start to finish with

2908
02:04:24,530 --> 02:04:21,180
me on Sunday evening over on coast to

2909
02:04:28,010 --> 02:04:24,540
coast and and Isaac I just have to say

2910
02:04:30,950 --> 02:04:28,020
thank you for that but for a premier for

2911
02:04:33,860 --> 02:04:30,960
a debut on coast to coast to go through

2912
02:04:35,360 --> 02:04:33,870
that because you you broadcast you put

2913
02:04:37,760 --> 02:04:35,370
together your stuff every single week

2914
02:04:40,880 --> 02:04:37,770
too as well but that was a pretty good

2915
02:04:43,280 --> 02:04:40,890
experience out of the gate wasn't it did

2916
02:04:45,890 --> 02:04:43,290
you have a good time it was amazing I

2917
02:04:47,630 --> 02:04:45,900
mean it was exhausting as I'm not used

2918
02:04:50,060 --> 02:04:47,640
to doing the long live shows like that

2919
02:04:51,920 --> 02:04:50,070
and but it was just good and the

2920
02:04:53,900 --> 02:04:51,930
audience was just giving good questions

2921
02:04:56,000 --> 02:04:53,910
left and right so it was a great time

2922
02:04:58,459 --> 02:04:56,010
how's the feedback been from your

2923
02:05:00,350 --> 02:04:58,469
audience really good there's actually a

2924
02:05:02,000 --> 02:05:00,360
lot of crossover with the channel and

2925
02:05:03,410 --> 02:05:02,010
since I tend to be a more on the skeptic

2926
02:05:04,880 --> 02:05:03,420
side I think some folks will condo us

2927
02:05:06,650 --> 02:05:04,890
about saying they're regulars on coast

2928
02:05:08,870 --> 02:05:06,660
to coast but I've been listening to show

2929
02:05:12,110 --> 02:05:08,880
for a year or so I was less surprised by

2930
02:05:15,860 --> 02:05:12,120
that it's got to be exciting it's like

2931
02:05:18,590 --> 02:05:15,870
you know when you go and you are you

2932
02:05:20,690 --> 02:05:18,600
grow grow up next door to Madison Square

2933
02:05:23,180 --> 02:05:20,700
Garden right and you're always attending

2934
02:05:25,280 --> 02:05:23,190
concerts and then one day you're playing

2935
02:05:28,100 --> 02:05:25,290
yeah you're playing Madison Square

2936
02:05:30,080 --> 02:05:28,110
Garden but that's exactly what it was

2937
02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:30,090
like wasn't it oh it's awesome yeah I

2938
02:05:34,340 --> 02:05:32,010
just think yeah I mean just for the show

2939
02:05:36,080 --> 02:05:34,350
I grew up watching folks like sake and

2940
02:05:37,430 --> 02:05:36,090
I'm getting to do I mean obviously I

2941
02:05:40,280 --> 02:05:37,440
have nowhere near the outreach that

2942
02:05:42,290 --> 02:05:40,290
Sagan had but just to be doing something

2943
02:05:44,600 --> 02:05:42,300
a little bit like him is so amazing and

2944
02:05:46,400 --> 02:05:44,610
and you never really it never stops

2945
02:05:48,470 --> 02:05:46,410
being surprising and shocking you know

2946
02:05:52,010 --> 02:05:48,480
it's just but it's awesome so you can't

2947
02:05:53,660 --> 02:05:52,020
complain it's a great example of why it

2948
02:05:56,120 --> 02:05:53,670
is a good idea to keep you a more basic

2949
02:05:59,510 --> 02:05:56,130
technology around like radio if you got

2950
02:06:02,959 --> 02:05:59,520
all the more advanced stuff totally 100%

2951
02:06:05,840 --> 02:06:02,969
keep the analog version whatever it is

2952
02:06:09,740 --> 02:06:05,850
that you are doing still you know

2953
02:06:12,260 --> 02:06:09,750
everybody wants the USB hookup in their

2954
02:06:15,140 --> 02:06:12,270
car now right you can barely buy a radio

2955
02:06:17,530 --> 02:06:15,150
in the car I think that's a bad idea

2956
02:06:19,930 --> 02:06:17,540
I really dad

2957
02:06:22,000 --> 02:06:19,940
not subtract yeah you know when when

2958
02:06:24,490 --> 02:06:22,010
when we were all growing up you remember

2959
02:06:26,100 --> 02:06:24,500
the stereo stores at the mall right and

2960
02:06:29,110 --> 02:06:26,110
and you would have these ginormous

2961
02:06:32,470 --> 02:06:29,120
speakers and you know your cassette deck

2962
02:06:34,630 --> 02:06:32,480
and your equalizer and your have nobody

2963
02:06:37,690 --> 02:06:34,640
has radios in their house anymore

2964
02:06:39,520 --> 02:06:37,700
I stood I got a few but we lose the

2965
02:06:42,310 --> 02:06:39,530
power we're on that pretty regularly so

2966
02:06:46,150 --> 02:06:42,320
it pays to have a radio with batteries I

2967
02:06:47,590 --> 02:06:46,160
don't I I don't think we have one over

2968
02:06:51,280 --> 02:06:47,600
oh you know what I've got an emergency

2969
02:06:54,550 --> 02:06:51,290
radio in my bug-out kit right with the

2970
02:06:56,440 --> 02:06:54,560
crank up yeah that that I do have those

2971
02:06:57,700 --> 02:06:56,450
yeah well your batteries lying around

2972
02:07:00,100 --> 02:06:57,710
but it's nice to have something you can

2973
02:07:01,810 --> 02:07:00,110
actually hand crank so low is handy but

2974
02:07:05,800 --> 02:07:01,820
not at night time so yeah I've got all

2975
02:07:08,110 --> 02:07:05,810
of that I've got I've got lanterns that

2976
02:07:11,410 --> 02:07:08,120
you crank up that actually have USB

2977
02:07:14,350 --> 02:07:11,420
chargers on them I do I really do I've

2978
02:07:15,910 --> 02:07:14,360
got I've got another Bible kit the more

2979
02:07:17,290 --> 02:07:15,920
these kind of things you have on hand if

2980
02:07:18,910 --> 02:07:17,300
nothing else they give you a lot of

2981
02:07:21,340 --> 02:07:18,920
peace of mind and if you in some kind of

2982
02:07:22,870 --> 02:07:21,350
civilization that where you've got a lot

2983
02:07:24,250 --> 02:07:22,880
of prosperity you can do a lot of

2984
02:07:25,870 --> 02:07:24,260
preparing walk you know against

2985
02:07:28,360 --> 02:07:25,880
catastrophes if for no better reason

2986
02:07:29,350 --> 02:07:28,370
that peace of mind so it tells me one of

2987
02:07:31,810 --> 02:07:29,360
those reasons why I think they'd have a

2988
02:07:34,650 --> 02:07:31,820
lot of the old stuff lying around let's

2989
02:07:37,120 --> 02:07:34,660
uh let's continue here and now that

2990
02:07:38,740 --> 02:07:37,130
we're obviously gonna go and do some

2991
02:07:40,930 --> 02:07:38,750
overtime tonight so we can get the rest

2992
02:07:45,310 --> 02:07:40,940
of this in I want to complete these

2993
02:07:49,350 --> 02:07:45,320
thoughts and one of okay so the question

2994
02:07:54,910 --> 02:07:49,360
is where is et right where are they and

2995
02:07:59,920 --> 02:07:54,920
when you come to this next answer again

2996
02:08:05,020 --> 02:07:59,930
it gets deliberately what's the word I

2997
02:08:08,800 --> 02:08:05,030
want to say complex because maybe just

2998
02:08:14,710 --> 02:08:08,810
maybe earth is not contacted that they

2999
02:08:16,420 --> 02:08:14,720
are not they are avoiding us when we get

3000
02:08:17,770 --> 02:08:16,430
to those ones and this is kind of a zoo

3001
02:08:19,480 --> 02:08:17,780
hypothesis well in this case this

3002
02:08:20,740 --> 02:08:19,490
wouldn't be a zoo hypothesis assumes

3003
02:08:22,870 --> 02:08:20,750
they're not really avoiding us they're

3004
02:08:24,580 --> 02:08:22,880
watching us the version where they avoid

3005
02:08:27,190 --> 02:08:24,590
us when we sometimes call the quarantine

3006
02:08:29,170 --> 02:08:27,200
option is where for some reason they

3007
02:08:30,850 --> 02:08:29,180
want to stay away from us and usually

3008
02:08:34,899 --> 02:08:30,860
specifically ortho I might

3009
02:08:36,399 --> 02:08:34,909
any primitive civilization I can't think

3010
02:08:37,959 --> 02:08:36,409
of anything that earth would have going

3011
02:08:39,850 --> 02:08:37,969
for it that they'd want to specifically

3012
02:08:42,250 --> 02:08:39,860
avoid there often we'll see the films I

3013
02:08:44,740 --> 02:08:42,260
say well humans are so aggressive and

3014
02:08:46,419 --> 02:08:44,750
hostile I say well maybe these aliens

3015
02:08:48,550 --> 02:08:46,429
are a lot more peaceful but they

3016
02:08:51,370 --> 02:08:48,560
probably came up the ladder the same way

3017
02:08:54,640 --> 02:08:51,380
we did and you know the evolutions are

3018
02:08:56,709 --> 02:08:54,650
four billion year deep corpse pile he

3019
02:08:57,250 --> 02:08:56,719
tend to be aggressive to survives right

3020
02:08:58,990 --> 02:08:57,260
right

3021
02:09:01,090 --> 02:08:59,000
I can't think of any reason why they

3022
02:09:04,149 --> 02:09:01,100
would want to avoid us out of feel for

3023
02:09:07,750 --> 02:09:04,159
themselves so that one has the problem

3024
02:09:08,410 --> 02:09:07,760
that it doesn't really fit well that's

3025
02:09:10,810 --> 02:09:08,420
different

3026
02:09:13,709 --> 02:09:10,820
let's scratch that off the list then but

3027
02:09:17,229 --> 02:09:13,719
what would the other reasons be for not

3028
02:09:19,240 --> 02:09:17,239
they may not be negative reasons mm-hmm

3029
02:09:20,560 --> 02:09:19,250
they don't necessarily negative reasons

3030
02:09:21,910 --> 02:09:20,570
I mean they're they agree feel that

3031
02:09:23,649 --> 02:09:21,920
they're going to contaminate all-call

3032
02:09:25,030 --> 02:09:23,659
shortage and they've also that as an

3033
02:09:27,120 --> 02:09:25,040
option to where it might be more

3034
02:09:29,109 --> 02:09:27,130
widespread that alien civilizations

3035
02:09:30,430 --> 02:09:29,119
don't want to go to war with each other

3036
02:09:32,020 --> 02:09:30,440
they're not hostile but they always

3037
02:09:33,760 --> 02:09:32,030
leave big buffer zones and don't

3038
02:09:35,890 --> 02:09:33,770
communicate much because they've found

3039
02:09:37,750 --> 02:09:35,900
that you know no matter how you cut it

3040
02:09:40,000 --> 02:09:37,760
they've got cultural differences that

3041
02:09:43,149 --> 02:09:40,010
they just can't get along with they're

3042
02:09:44,830 --> 02:09:43,159
close to each other we often say that by

3043
02:09:46,959 --> 02:09:44,840
getting to know people we we've own to

3044
02:09:49,000 --> 02:09:46,969
understand them often when we don't

3045
02:09:51,280 --> 02:09:49,010
understand them we still don't get along

3046
02:09:53,350 --> 02:09:51,290
very well we have the example with a

3047
02:09:55,270 --> 02:09:53,360
Babel Fish from Dulles Adams they says

3048
02:09:56,950 --> 02:09:55,280
by having allowed everyone to speak each

3049
02:09:58,720 --> 02:09:56,960
other's language it's call us more

3050
02:10:01,000 --> 02:09:58,730
bloody wars than anything in history

3051
02:10:03,970 --> 02:10:01,010
right if you've got an alien species

3052
02:10:04,720 --> 02:10:03,980
that produces as fast as dogs or cats do

3053
02:10:07,000 --> 02:10:04,730
it has littles

3054
02:10:09,070 --> 02:10:07,010
they might have adopted very early on a

3055
02:10:12,070 --> 02:10:09,080
control of population where they kill

3056
02:10:13,270 --> 02:10:12,080
off 90% of their kids that aren't quite

3057
02:10:16,000 --> 02:10:13,280
up to snuff and the way they keep the

3058
02:10:17,680 --> 02:10:16,010
best 10% there was no way we were ever

3059
02:10:19,060 --> 02:10:17,690
gonna really allow them we don't want to

3060
02:10:21,220 --> 02:10:19,070
go to war with them but we don't want to

3061
02:10:22,959 --> 02:10:21,230
touch them and we also don't want them

3062
02:10:25,930 --> 02:10:22,969
and they don't want us poisoning new

3063
02:10:27,520 --> 02:10:25,940
civilizations against them so there

3064
02:10:29,620 --> 02:10:27,530
might be a kind of a loose rule that you

3065
02:10:31,510 --> 02:10:29,630
only expand out so far and you keep

3066
02:10:34,180 --> 02:10:31,520
pretty quiet you're not hiding you just

3067
02:10:36,370 --> 02:10:34,190
don't actively court conversations with

3068
02:10:39,129 --> 02:10:36,380
those civilizations and that one's a

3069
02:10:40,450 --> 02:10:39,139
viable ish for me paradox just because

3070
02:10:42,640 --> 02:10:40,460
it means if people don't expand or talk

3071
02:10:46,030 --> 02:10:42,650
much we might have missed them

3072
02:10:47,800 --> 02:10:46,040
so far that one though still pretty iffy

3073
02:10:50,320 --> 02:10:47,810
it requires a lot of assumptions about

3074
02:10:52,780 --> 02:10:50,330
how these civilizations would look to us

3075
02:10:56,460 --> 02:10:52,790
for your looking for them and what about

3076
02:11:01,210 --> 02:10:56,470
okay now this is the the church

3077
02:11:06,370 --> 02:11:01,220
hypothesis on this one maybe we're

3078
02:11:08,560 --> 02:11:06,380
boring maybe maybe there's more except

3079
02:11:10,720 --> 02:11:08,570
they know about us they visited us

3080
02:11:14,220 --> 02:11:10,730
they've checked us out but there are

3081
02:11:16,780 --> 02:11:14,230
just cooler versions of Earth to go to

3082
02:11:18,970 --> 02:11:16,790
it's the Kansas of the gallon that's

3083
02:11:21,850 --> 02:11:18,980
right I'm not trying to offend anybody

3084
02:11:25,270 --> 02:11:21,860
in Kansas but Vegas is a lot more

3085
02:11:28,180 --> 02:11:25,280
exciting right and so maybe they want to

3086
02:11:30,460 --> 02:11:28,190
go to Planet Vegas and that makes so

3087
02:11:33,040 --> 02:11:30,470
much sense except for one problem they

3088
02:11:37,120 --> 02:11:33,050
get millions of visitors to Kansas every

3089
02:11:39,010 --> 02:11:37,130
year you find your boy in place and

3090
02:11:40,990 --> 02:11:39,020
someone's gonna come by to visit you

3091
02:11:42,220 --> 02:11:41,000
know even if just to be like why does

3092
02:11:43,690 --> 02:11:42,230
nobody visit this place I need to go

3093
02:11:46,150 --> 02:11:43,700
right up and all across this or there'll

3094
02:11:49,030 --> 02:11:46,160
be someone saying hey this place gets no

3095
02:11:51,130 --> 02:11:49,040
tourism it's a live target

3096
02:11:52,570 --> 02:11:51,140
I'll go they all talk to them and get

3097
02:11:54,550 --> 02:11:52,580
their tourist industry boom you know

3098
02:11:58,060 --> 02:11:54,560
I'll make a billion you know cinterion

3099
02:12:00,460 --> 02:11:58,070
bucks by getting us tourism industry

3100
02:12:02,650 --> 02:12:00,470
going you know someone's gonna come by

3101
02:12:04,840 --> 02:12:02,660
to visit for some reason it doesn't

3102
02:12:09,970 --> 02:12:04,850
matter how boring the place is they're

3103
02:12:12,610 --> 02:12:09,980
gonna have stopped by well and I yes see

3104
02:12:14,770 --> 02:12:12,620
you lay it out pretty pretty well but I

3105
02:12:17,800 --> 02:12:14,780
just disagree with that and the only

3106
02:12:20,890 --> 02:12:17,810
reason why I disagree with it it comes

3107
02:12:23,560 --> 02:12:20,900
down to math that I know that there has

3108
02:12:26,740 --> 02:12:23,570
to be it's simple math there has to be

3109
02:12:29,590 --> 02:12:26,750
millions if not billions of versions of

3110
02:12:33,420 --> 02:12:29,600
Earth out there in this galaxy right

3111
02:12:36,340 --> 02:12:33,430
water everything plants nice beaches

3112
02:12:39,010 --> 02:12:36,350
great place to hang out but then there

3113
02:12:42,250 --> 02:12:39,020
are billions of versions of Earth out

3114
02:12:44,110 --> 02:12:42,260
there that are fun a little bit bigger

3115
02:12:46,570 --> 02:12:44,120
the temperatures are a little bit better

3116
02:12:50,920 --> 02:12:46,580
there's less earthquakes and there's

3117
02:12:52,690 --> 02:12:50,930
things and the great casinos and and the

3118
02:12:55,860 --> 02:12:52,700
food is just a little bit better you

3119
02:12:59,220 --> 02:12:55,870
know I'm just saying that maybe

3120
02:13:02,190 --> 02:12:59,230
that is the case where we are just we're

3121
02:13:04,140 --> 02:13:02,200
just boring there is no action here yeah

3122
02:13:05,790 --> 02:13:04,150
that is a real possibility for why we

3123
02:13:07,410 --> 02:13:05,800
wouldn't get much traffic but it doesn't

3124
02:13:08,730 --> 02:13:07,420
you know the bigger the population the

3125
02:13:10,650 --> 02:13:08,740
galaxy gets and we start talking about

3126
02:13:13,980 --> 02:13:10,660
galactic empires you're talking about

3127
02:13:15,630 --> 02:13:13,990
billions upon billions of potential

3128
02:13:18,390 --> 02:13:15,640
wards and habitats they might have built

3129
02:13:20,970 --> 02:13:18,400
with billions upon billions upon

3130
02:13:23,280 --> 02:13:20,980
billions of people mm-hmm there's just

3131
02:13:25,530 --> 02:13:23,290
however boy north is there's gonna be a

3132
02:13:27,690 --> 02:13:25,540
few people who think it's the coolest

3133
02:13:29,040 --> 02:13:27,700
place ever right of just cuz it's so

3134
02:13:30,990 --> 02:13:29,050
boring and they want to be able to tell

3135
02:13:33,690 --> 02:13:31,000
their friends how exciting this place

3136
02:13:35,160 --> 02:13:33,700
nobody else went to was someone's gonna

3137
02:13:36,720 --> 02:13:35,170
find it cool if there's one thing the

3138
02:13:38,760 --> 02:13:36,730
Internet has taught us is that no matter

3139
02:13:41,280 --> 02:13:38,770
how boring the hobby would seem to be

3140
02:13:42,540 --> 02:13:41,290
there are a lot of people who think it

3141
02:13:43,800 --> 02:13:42,550
is the coolest thing ever

3142
02:13:44,850 --> 02:13:43,810
that's right that is well you know

3143
02:13:46,890 --> 02:13:44,860
that's why the cool thing is about

3144
02:13:49,230 --> 02:13:46,900
nowadays you can find those 200 people

3145
02:13:52,280 --> 02:13:49,240
on the planet who share your obsession

3146
02:13:55,170 --> 02:13:52,290
with collecting 19th century pennies and

3147
02:13:56,670 --> 02:13:55,180
if Earth is a 19th century penny that

3148
02:13:58,230 --> 02:13:56,680
nobody else cares about there's still

3149
02:14:00,420 --> 02:13:58,240
gonna be those billions of people out

3150
02:14:03,930 --> 02:14:00,430
there on that Empire who think it's cool

3151
02:14:07,080 --> 02:14:03,940
and so how do we how do we answer that

3152
02:14:09,540 --> 02:14:07,090
when we think about the amount of and

3153
02:14:12,990 --> 02:14:09,550
we're gonna take a break in in in just a

3154
02:14:16,260 --> 02:14:13,000
minute here Isaac that all of those

3155
02:14:21,900 --> 02:14:16,270
civilizations that are out there in in

3156
02:14:25,400 --> 02:14:21,910
the Milky Way that coming here is easy

3157
02:14:28,830 --> 02:14:25,410
and we have only been here technically

3158
02:14:31,170 --> 02:14:28,840
in an electrical sense for about a

3159
02:14:32,580 --> 02:14:31,180
hundred years that they could have been

3160
02:14:34,980 --> 02:14:32,590
here a hundred thousand years ago which

3161
02:14:38,190 --> 02:14:34,990
is a blip of time a million years ago

3162
02:14:40,890 --> 02:14:38,200
ten thousand years ago where there was

3163
02:14:42,900 --> 02:14:40,900
no video cameras or photographs or a way

3164
02:14:45,120 --> 02:14:42,910
to document any of this and they've

3165
02:14:49,790 --> 02:14:45,130
simply moved on they know that Earth is

3166
02:14:54,540 --> 02:14:51,630
fundamentally that one comes up the

3167
02:14:56,760 --> 02:14:54,550
issue is you know Kansas is pretty well

3168
02:14:59,040 --> 02:14:56,770
documented - but people still keep

3169
02:15:01,140 --> 02:14:59,050
coming there every year not feeling bad

3170
02:15:03,060 --> 02:15:01,150
for the folks in Kansas but it's Pahlavi

3171
02:15:06,060 --> 02:15:03,070
all right that is what the boiling

3172
02:15:07,830 --> 02:15:06,070
places to live say saying about Ohio we

3173
02:15:08,970 --> 02:15:07,840
still get tons of notes I live in a

3174
02:15:10,470 --> 02:15:08,980
tourist trap you know we get

3175
02:15:12,630 --> 02:15:10,480
people visiting every summer by a

3176
02:15:14,729 --> 02:15:12,640
thousand and I think it's boy that's why

3177
02:15:17,160 --> 02:15:14,739
I like the place it's calm it's peaceful

3178
02:15:20,640 --> 02:15:17,170
yet folks come by to visit for exactly

3179
02:15:23,250 --> 02:15:20,650
that reason and so what you know how can

3180
02:15:25,260 --> 02:15:23,260
you exhaust entire plants options we

3181
02:15:27,810 --> 02:15:25,270
have changed they came here ten thousand

3182
02:15:29,160 --> 02:15:27,820
years ago have we not had ten thousand

3183
02:15:31,229 --> 02:15:29,170
years of history they might find

3184
02:15:33,720 --> 02:15:31,239
interesting why would they not want to

3185
02:15:36,990 --> 02:15:33,730
come back and see what's changed well I

3186
02:15:38,640 --> 02:15:37,000
would say that they do right they do but

3187
02:15:40,979 --> 02:15:38,650
that's the that's the best part of

3188
02:15:43,950 --> 02:15:40,989
having this type of conversation tonight

3189
02:15:45,930 --> 02:15:43,960
to give everybody something to think

3190
02:15:49,440 --> 02:15:45,940
about on both sides of the fence and

3191
02:15:51,390 --> 02:15:49,450
with that let's take our scheduled break

3192
02:15:53,370 --> 02:15:51,400
right now our guest tonight is Isaac

3193
02:15:56,460 --> 02:15:53,380
Arthur and when we come back we're

3194
02:15:58,200 --> 02:15:56,470
discussing the Fermi paradox and when we

3195
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Hawking we're gonna get to the rest of

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3281
02:20:59,590 --> 02:20:57,790
welcome back fade to black

3282
02:21:02,050 --> 02:20:59,600
I'm your host Jimmy Church our guest

3283
02:21:04,750 --> 02:21:02,060
tonight Isaac Arthur we're discussing

3284
02:21:05,520 --> 02:21:04,760
the Fermi paradox saving the best for

3285
02:21:10,750 --> 02:21:05,530
last

3286
02:21:12,610 --> 02:21:10,760
and Isaac oh oh really quick Isaac my

3287
02:21:15,100 --> 02:21:12,620
twitter is a a church radio what is

3288
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yours let me double check I think it's

3289
02:21:20,740 --> 02:21:18,080
Isaac Isaac underscore a underscore

3290
02:21:25,150 --> 02:21:20,750
there you go you always do that

3291
02:21:27,550 --> 02:21:25,160
underscore and dots but I get it I get

3292
02:21:32,920 --> 02:21:27,560
it so it's it's Isaac underscore a

3293
02:21:35,170 --> 02:21:32,930
underscore Arthur yep okay now with I

3294
02:21:38,140 --> 02:21:35,180
want to know how much you researched or

3295
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read into you know guys like Stephen

3296
02:21:46,900 --> 02:21:41,870
Hawking and and Carl Sagan in the past

3297
02:21:49,570 --> 02:21:46,910
where I've always felt that Carl Sagan

3298
02:21:54,210 --> 02:21:49,580
did a pretty good flip-flop on us when

3299
02:21:57,429 --> 02:21:54,220
it came to UFOs and alien civilizations

3300
02:21:59,500 --> 02:21:57,439
and the same thing with Stephen Hawking

3301
02:22:03,130 --> 02:21:59,510
where I think he was very adventurous

3302
02:22:06,940 --> 02:22:03,140
for for a period there and then went one

3303
02:22:11,410 --> 02:22:06,950
pretty dark with alien contact and then

3304
02:22:14,200 --> 02:22:11,420
turned around and wanted to fly no stuff

3305
02:22:15,880 --> 02:22:14,210
to Alpha Centauri I think he gets a

3306
02:22:18,010 --> 02:22:15,890
little bit of an unfair reputation about

3307
02:22:19,810 --> 02:22:18,020
that towards the end he was often making

3308
02:22:21,790 --> 02:22:19,820
comments and the media mush out anytime

3309
02:22:23,410 --> 02:22:21,800
he'd say anything it was it was big news

3310
02:22:24,940 --> 02:22:23,420
after me he was just quoting something

3311
02:22:27,460 --> 02:22:24,950
that was established science for a

3312
02:22:29,290 --> 02:22:27,470
century or more you know he was a great

3313
02:22:31,510 --> 02:22:29,300
speaker and teacher for the field but

3314
02:22:33,700 --> 02:22:31,520
often he would say material that was you

3315
02:22:35,980 --> 02:22:33,710
know classic poets the field and people

3316
02:22:37,810 --> 02:22:35,990
say oh my god Hawking said this his

3317
02:22:39,880 --> 02:22:37,820
suggestion that I think people forward

3318
02:22:42,310 --> 02:22:39,890
to there is that we don't want to talk

3319
02:22:44,350 --> 02:22:42,320
to aliens because if you go making noise

3320
02:22:46,690 --> 02:22:44,360
in the woods a predator might come and

3321
02:22:48,580 --> 02:22:46,700
eat you and that's not his idea that's

3322
02:22:51,250 --> 02:22:48,590
that's a very classic and so on that's

3323
02:22:53,679 --> 02:22:51,260
the concept of Medi which is you know

3324
02:22:55,240 --> 02:22:53,689
active SETI the idea that you don't try

3325
02:22:57,310 --> 02:22:55,250
to listen you get out there and speak

3326
02:22:59,520 --> 02:22:57,320
and someone who's gonna point out if

3327
02:23:01,900 --> 02:22:59,530
you're out there yelling really loudly

3328
02:23:03,790 --> 02:23:01,910
someone might hear you and and you might

3329
02:23:07,090 --> 02:23:03,800
not want them to come by and let you

3330
02:23:08,030 --> 02:23:07,100
know that they are there so I think you

3331
02:23:10,190 --> 02:23:08,040
point that out very

3332
02:23:12,040 --> 02:23:10,200
fairly a lot of people do I do not worry

3333
02:23:15,020 --> 02:23:12,050
much about active City though because

3334
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any alien civilization shows up by now

3335
02:23:18,830 --> 02:23:16,980
decide to invade us or horn us that

3336
02:23:20,870 --> 02:23:18,840
wants to do this that has space travel

3337
02:23:22,850 --> 02:23:20,880
that can't hear us it's not gonna be a

3338
02:23:23,990 --> 02:23:22,860
contest they'd wipe us out so there's no

3339
02:23:26,180 --> 02:23:24,000
point even worried about something like

3340
02:23:28,490 --> 02:23:26,190
that we cannot hide from them and they

3341
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want us dead they're gonna guess dead so

3342
02:23:31,850 --> 02:23:30,390
it's a legitimate concern but there's

3343
02:23:33,110 --> 02:23:31,860
nothing we can do about it it's like

3344
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worried about an asteroid hitting your

3345
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civilization if you live in ancient Rome

3346
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you can't build a rock and to go blow

3347
02:23:40,850 --> 02:23:38,010
that thing up so there's not much point

3348
02:23:42,890 --> 02:23:40,860
worrying about it and I think that he

3349
02:23:44,090 --> 02:23:42,900
wasn't really saying that this is

3350
02:23:45,230 --> 02:23:44,100
something that we need to be worried

3351
02:23:47,450 --> 02:23:45,240
about though he might have but I don't

3352
02:23:48,860 --> 02:23:47,460
want to put words in his mouth I think

3353
02:23:50,660 --> 02:23:48,870
he was just pointing out that is one of

3354
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those concerns we had to have about SETI

3355
02:23:58,310 --> 02:23:54,000
is so is it dangerous to attempt

3356
02:24:00,620 --> 02:23:58,320
communication no because and this is

3357
02:24:02,780 --> 02:24:00,630
what it comes down to is they don't need

3358
02:24:04,730 --> 02:24:02,790
to hear all radio signals if you have

3359
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spaceflight and you've been around for a

3360
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long time you already know about every

3361
02:24:11,420 --> 02:24:09,870
plan out there that has life on it cuz

3362
02:24:13,040 --> 02:24:11,430
you won't waiting for radio signals she

3363
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was sending out active probes to go look

3364
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for stuff and you're building gigantic

3365
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telescopes that can pick up signs of

3366
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life on plants when there's just oxygen

3367
02:24:22,550 --> 02:24:20,340
in the atmosphere we'll be doing that

3368
02:24:24,500 --> 02:24:22,560
inside of 20 years they've been doing

3369
02:24:27,860 --> 02:24:24,510
that for millions videos and they saw us

3370
02:24:30,410 --> 02:24:27,870
you know very early on so they're not

3371
02:24:31,790 --> 02:24:30,420
gonna be hunting for radio signals if

3372
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they want to go wipe out our life

3373
02:24:35,840 --> 02:24:34,620
they're going to wipe out all life there

3374
02:24:37,550 --> 02:24:35,850
are so many ways you can do that without

3375
02:24:40,160 --> 02:24:37,560
even leaving your home solar system and

3376
02:24:43,730 --> 02:24:40,170
poor Gentile galaxies of people who do

3377
02:24:47,750 --> 02:24:43,740
not have technology equity alone when we

3378
02:24:50,900 --> 02:24:47,760
go back and look at it's not the same

3379
02:24:53,210 --> 02:24:50,910
kind of party today but when Tesla was

3380
02:24:57,700 --> 02:24:53,220
building those ginormous radio towers

3381
02:25:01,790 --> 02:24:57,710
right and and and Marconi and there were

3382
02:25:03,980 --> 02:25:01,800
100,000 watt you know blowtorch radio

3383
02:25:06,950 --> 02:25:03,990
stations all over this planet how much

3384
02:25:10,580 --> 02:25:06,960
of the cat was let out of the bag as far

3385
02:25:14,030 --> 02:25:10,590
as visibility goes from you know 1890

3386
02:25:15,680 --> 02:25:14,040
until 1950 more than now because we're a

3387
02:25:17,870 --> 02:25:15,690
lot quieter with our signals were more

3388
02:25:20,090 --> 02:25:17,880
efficient but less than was necessary to

3389
02:25:21,500 --> 02:25:20,100
see us cuz I mean you're doing a flyby

3390
02:25:22,910 --> 02:25:21,510
of this planet

3391
02:25:24,229 --> 02:25:22,920
two thousand years ago you see in the

3392
02:25:26,210 --> 02:25:24,239
pyramid sticking out like sore thumbs

3393
02:25:27,500 --> 02:25:26,220
seen like right on my when a great wall

3394
02:25:28,160 --> 02:25:27,510
got built but that's been around for

3395
02:25:30,920 --> 02:25:28,170
quite some time

3396
02:25:33,710 --> 02:25:30,930
mhm and even before that you look back

3397
02:25:35,149 --> 02:25:33,720
say a half million years ago

3398
02:25:36,649 --> 02:25:35,159
yeah and wonder what all those little

3399
02:25:38,210 --> 02:25:36,659
files are doing on the force and you'll

3400
02:25:40,309 --> 02:25:38,220
be to pick those up on night scopes

3401
02:25:42,229 --> 02:25:40,319
pretty easy and then you go back before

3402
02:25:44,719 --> 02:25:42,239
that you're looking for places where

3403
02:25:48,800 --> 02:25:44,729
life might develop the big blue planets

3404
02:25:50,899 --> 02:25:48,810
a pretty big giveaway so I don't see the

3405
02:25:52,880 --> 02:25:50,909
video as being a missed to us because as

3406
02:25:56,029 --> 02:25:52,890
loud as those sickness all they're not

3407
02:25:58,130 --> 02:25:56,039
nearly as loud as the wasn't I guess two

3408
02:26:00,050 --> 02:25:58,140
hundred quadrillion watts of power being

3409
02:26:02,809 --> 02:26:00,060
given off by this planet reflected from

3410
02:26:06,019 --> 02:26:02,819
the Sun well what about the concept that

3411
02:26:09,349 --> 02:26:06,029
was presented by Carl Sagan in his book

3412
02:26:10,370 --> 02:26:09,359
contact and in the movie I'm try to

3413
02:26:11,630 --> 02:26:10,380
remember what the differences were

3414
02:26:13,639 --> 02:26:11,640
between those so they might want to

3415
02:26:15,130 --> 02:26:13,649
contact us using the Planck scale as

3416
02:26:17,389 --> 02:26:15,140
always think I have a memo from that but

3417
02:26:20,359 --> 02:26:17,399
it's been so long since I saw that movie

3418
02:26:24,050 --> 02:26:20,369
well they took our television signals

3419
02:26:26,719 --> 02:26:24,060
and oh that's right right and then and

3420
02:26:30,439 --> 02:26:26,729
and sent them back to us with a scramble

3421
02:26:33,080 --> 02:26:30,449
in the in the carrier signal that

3422
02:26:35,090 --> 02:26:33,090
biggest concern there is is that the the

3423
02:26:36,349 --> 02:26:35,100
core idea is they didn't have to wait to

3424
02:26:38,120 --> 02:26:36,359
them they might have waited then to make

3425
02:26:39,889 --> 02:26:38,130
contact with us but that wouldn't have

3426
02:26:41,929 --> 02:26:39,899
been new to them if they can reach out

3427
02:26:43,819 --> 02:26:41,939
to us physically like that send probes

3428
02:26:45,979 --> 02:26:43,829
you know then then they knew about us

3429
02:26:47,779 --> 02:26:45,989
forehand why would you not go and

3430
02:26:49,279 --> 02:26:47,789
investigate every planet in your Galaxy

3431
02:26:51,380 --> 02:26:49,289
even if you didn't want to live on them

3432
02:26:53,300 --> 02:26:51,390
there has to be some motivations while

3433
02:26:55,489 --> 02:26:53,310
you're getting out into space and if

3434
02:26:56,660 --> 02:26:55,499
you'd find other planets boy and B

3435
02:26:57,950 --> 02:26:56,670
inhabit or nah you're not arresting

3436
02:27:00,529 --> 02:26:57,960
settling them you know understanding

3437
02:27:01,790 --> 02:27:00,539
exploiting them then you're not gonna be

3438
02:27:04,670 --> 02:27:01,800
listening for radio signals either

3439
02:27:06,830 --> 02:27:04,680
because you don't K oh well and so let's

3440
02:27:09,380 --> 02:27:06,840
break this down really quick

3441
02:27:14,870 --> 02:27:09,390
before we get to the the last question

3442
02:27:17,899 --> 02:27:14,880
how fast is a radio signal how fast is

3443
02:27:20,660 --> 02:27:17,909
it 300 million kilometres a second so I

3444
02:27:22,550 --> 02:27:20,670
300 million meters per second very quick

3445
02:27:26,269 --> 02:27:22,560
compared to light speed

3446
02:27:29,179 --> 02:27:26,279
same speed it's is it the same speed

3447
02:27:31,399 --> 02:27:29,189
radio signals are the exact same speed

3448
02:27:32,750 --> 02:27:31,409
as any other infrared radiation in the

3449
02:27:34,280 --> 02:27:32,760
vacuum they don't all move to quite the

3450
02:27:36,230 --> 02:27:34,290
same speed inside manosphere

3451
02:27:42,080 --> 02:27:36,240
medium but it's pretty close it's pretty

3452
02:27:45,410 --> 02:27:42,090
close so then if we did simple math here

3453
02:27:48,980 --> 02:27:45,420
and we just said okay let's go with 50

3454
02:27:51,020 --> 02:27:48,990
years right and then we're because I'm

3455
02:27:54,290 --> 02:27:51,030
dealing with round numbers a hundred

3456
02:27:59,511 --> 02:27:54,300
years we're at 2019 so the radio signals

3457
02:28:03,980 --> 02:27:59,521
that were sent out in 1919 that went 50

3458
02:28:06,140 --> 02:28:03,990
light years away it's a is there only

3459
02:28:08,050 --> 02:28:06,150
out 200 by now but sorry 50 years away

3460
02:28:10,730 --> 02:28:08,060
could have sent back to us by now that

3461
02:28:12,140 --> 02:28:10,740
that's what that's see I like the way

3462
02:28:12,470 --> 02:28:12,150
you think that's where I'm going with

3463
02:28:15,920 --> 02:28:12,480
this

3464
02:28:18,410 --> 02:28:15,930
so somebody 50 light years away has

3465
02:28:21,020 --> 02:28:18,420
received the signals now they know where

3466
02:28:25,160 --> 02:28:21,030
we are and now they're headed this way

3467
02:28:27,200 --> 02:28:25,170
wouldn't they be arriving about now they

3468
02:28:29,090 --> 02:28:27,210
would be yeah now if they were waiting

3469
02:28:30,710 --> 02:28:29,100
and they were just happy on a plant say

3470
02:28:33,290 --> 02:28:30,720
you know 40 light years away they got

3471
02:28:35,150 --> 02:28:33,300
all message 60 years ago and they still

3472
02:28:36,170 --> 02:28:35,160
send a fleet our direction they might be

3473
02:28:38,210 --> 02:28:36,180
getting here we don't know how fast

3474
02:28:39,410 --> 02:28:38,220
those ships oh it might be 10% of speed

3475
02:28:40,940 --> 02:28:39,420
of light in which case we'll be a few

3476
02:28:42,710 --> 02:28:40,950
centuries still right they could have

3477
02:28:44,120 --> 02:28:42,720
got a signal back to us now they if they

3478
02:28:45,710 --> 02:28:44,130
don't have ships can move fairly close

3479
02:28:47,930 --> 02:28:45,720
to light speed they probably would send

3480
02:28:49,490 --> 02:28:47,940
a signal back forced if you move fairly

3481
02:28:52,090 --> 02:28:49,500
close to light speed though you probably

3482
02:28:55,310 --> 02:28:52,100
would go that way because you're getting

3483
02:28:57,170 --> 02:28:55,320
signals sooner once you know and close

3484
02:28:58,820 --> 02:28:57,180
on close to that time and it gives you

3485
02:29:00,280 --> 02:28:58,830
much more updated information so you

3486
02:29:02,660 --> 02:29:00,290
might as well let your diplomatic team

3487
02:29:04,820 --> 02:29:02,670
boil themselves down to the modern year

3488
02:29:06,620 --> 02:29:04,830
when they arrive and do the talking for

3489
02:29:08,390 --> 02:29:06,630
you without the risk of mistakes and

3490
02:29:13,100 --> 02:29:08,400
that's exactly the point

3491
02:29:14,900 --> 02:29:13,110
should we be concerned if you were the

3492
02:29:17,060 --> 02:29:14,910
head of the United Nations would you

3493
02:29:20,060 --> 02:29:17,070
have a delegation put together knowing

3494
02:29:22,420 --> 02:29:20,070
that if we just went with simple math

3495
02:29:25,880 --> 02:29:22,430
that 50 light years away

3496
02:29:27,680 --> 02:29:25,890
those potential civilizations know where

3497
02:29:31,850 --> 02:29:27,690
we are and would be arriving shortly

3498
02:29:33,920 --> 02:29:31,860
should we prepare something yes but not

3499
02:29:35,270 --> 02:29:33,930
to talk to the aliens we want to make

3500
02:29:36,440 --> 02:29:35,280
sure we have a prepared mechanism in

3501
02:29:37,910 --> 02:29:36,450
place so they were not tripping over

3502
02:29:40,011 --> 02:29:37,920
each other trying to figure out what to

3503
02:29:41,540 --> 02:29:40,021
do if they do say hi they're gonna know

3504
02:29:42,770 --> 02:29:41,550
how to talk to us they came here they've

3505
02:29:44,150 --> 02:29:42,780
been listening to our radio signals

3506
02:29:45,530 --> 02:29:44,160
while they came in there I've had plenty

3507
02:29:46,581 --> 02:29:45,540
of time to pass them and they've got a

3508
02:29:48,770 --> 02:29:46,591
game plan in mind

3509
02:29:50,541 --> 02:29:48,780
we most need to make sure that we don't

3510
02:29:52,281 --> 02:29:50,551
trip all over each other as various war

3511
02:29:54,470 --> 02:29:52,291
leaders try to decide who's supposed to

3512
02:29:56,211 --> 02:29:54,480
be doing the talking and you know which

3513
02:29:57,531 --> 02:29:56,221
country get stock forests and what kind

3514
02:29:59,751 --> 02:29:57,541
of team we should be using and what

3515
02:30:01,610 --> 02:29:59,761
message which was said and that's where

3516
02:30:03,411 --> 02:30:01,620
the issues come to play mostly making

3517
02:30:04,461 --> 02:30:03,421
sure that we don't fall into pieces we

3518
02:30:05,961 --> 02:30:04,471
don't really need to put much effort

3519
02:30:07,551 --> 02:30:05,971
into how to talk to them though cuz

3520
02:30:09,680 --> 02:30:07,561
they've solved that issue they want to

3521
02:30:13,791 --> 02:30:09,690
talk to us you know likelihood there is

3522
02:30:17,201 --> 02:30:13,801
a lot of rumor going around in our

3523
02:30:22,011 --> 02:30:17,211
community the United Nations has a

3524
02:30:23,781 --> 02:30:22,021
pointed forget the the world what

3525
02:30:26,531 --> 02:30:23,791
they're called but there is there is an

3526
02:30:29,150 --> 02:30:26,541
interstellar ambassador in place right

3527
02:30:31,491 --> 02:30:29,160
do you think that they've got a game

3528
02:30:34,610 --> 02:30:31,501
plan ready to go do you think that there

3529
02:30:36,741 --> 02:30:34,620
is a an official portal called manual

3530
02:30:39,440 --> 02:30:36,751
that's printed out and distributed just

3531
02:30:40,850 --> 02:30:39,450
in case uh I'm gonna be I mean to be

3532
02:30:42,560 --> 02:30:40,860
honest I would kind of expect that to be

3533
02:30:44,060 --> 02:30:42,570
public if there was one just because it

3534
02:30:46,190 --> 02:30:44,070
would be your familiar perspective I

3535
02:30:47,900 --> 02:30:46,200
think they'd mostly wind you know get

3536
02:30:49,400 --> 02:30:47,910
enthusiasm involved with the populace

3537
02:30:50,751 --> 02:30:49,410
like when they did the when the CDC

3538
02:30:52,911 --> 02:30:50,761
released that survive the zombie

3539
02:30:54,621 --> 02:30:52,921
apocalypse manual yes

3540
02:30:56,121 --> 02:30:54,631
I could easily says doing something like

3541
02:30:57,770 --> 02:30:56,131
that and I haven't be spies we already

3542
02:31:01,461 --> 02:30:57,780
had and if not I'd certainly suggest

3543
02:31:03,110 --> 02:31:01,471
it's good outreach but you know we we

3544
02:31:04,791 --> 02:31:03,120
all contingency plans I would assume

3545
02:31:06,560 --> 02:31:04,801
that most countries keep a file

3546
02:31:08,031 --> 02:31:06,570
somewhere on how to invade everybody

3547
02:31:10,011 --> 02:31:08,041
including their best neighbors of the

3548
02:31:11,421 --> 02:31:10,021
town next door near Capitol so I

3549
02:31:13,551 --> 02:31:11,431
wouldn't be surprised if I only had one

3550
02:31:15,470 --> 02:31:13,561
that was lying around they might want to

3551
02:31:17,631 --> 02:31:15,480
keep them secret or they might put them

3552
02:31:18,801 --> 02:31:17,641
out they are IRC couldn't say on that it

3553
02:31:21,201 --> 02:31:18,811
would to me what makes sense to have

3554
02:31:22,820 --> 02:31:21,211
such a manual I'm on The Skeptical in of

3555
02:31:24,381 --> 02:31:22,830
things that still say have one you send

3556
02:31:25,940 --> 02:31:24,391
spaceships out there I don't expect to

3557
02:31:27,890 --> 02:31:25,950
move on end Emily I just to include a

3558
02:31:30,110 --> 02:31:27,900
manual what to do in case that happened

3559
02:31:31,701 --> 02:31:30,120
even if I open up reason and they're not

3560
02:31:32,900 --> 02:31:31,711
worried about themselves the time

3561
02:31:35,031 --> 02:31:32,910
because they know they got a manual they

3562
02:31:41,211 --> 02:31:35,041
can crack open and read if that happens

3563
02:31:44,661 --> 02:31:41,221
I asked a police officer LAPD guide this

3564
02:31:46,701 --> 02:31:44,671
is two years ago and I happened to I

3565
02:31:48,171 --> 02:31:46,711
can't get into the details but I was

3566
02:31:50,600 --> 02:31:48,181
hanging out with this guy for like two

3567
02:31:55,701 --> 02:31:50,610
hours three hours and you know we're

3568
02:31:57,350 --> 02:31:55,711
just talking and I said so UFO lands he

3569
02:31:59,751 --> 02:31:57,360
goes what like a flying saucer

3570
02:32:03,680 --> 02:31:59,761
I said yeah right there

3571
02:32:06,111 --> 02:32:03,690
hun Sherman Way right and you're driving

3572
02:32:09,051 --> 02:32:06,121
down the road UFO lands and starts

3573
02:32:12,201 --> 02:32:09,061
blocking traffic what do you do yes I

3574
02:32:14,930 --> 02:32:12,211
don't know and I said well have you been

3575
02:32:18,081 --> 02:32:14,940
trained up you know has this ever been

3576
02:32:19,461 --> 02:32:18,091
talked about he said no I said okay what

3577
02:32:22,850 --> 02:32:19,471
would you do

3578
02:32:26,511 --> 02:32:22,860
he goes uh well I'd call it in but I

3579
02:32:30,261 --> 02:32:26,521
guess the National Guard you know that's

3580
02:32:32,481 --> 02:32:30,271
I mean he was looking at me so perplexed

3581
02:32:36,111 --> 02:32:32,491
now I don't know if he's ever thought

3582
02:32:37,761 --> 02:32:36,121
about UFOs or ETS or whatever but so

3583
02:32:40,401 --> 02:32:37,771
maybe he's never thought about this he's

3584
02:32:43,281 --> 02:32:40,411
never watched ancient aliens okay that's

3585
02:32:47,571 --> 02:32:43,291
fine but as far as any official protocol

3586
02:32:50,691 --> 02:32:47,581
goes he swore to me up and down there is

3587
02:32:52,341 --> 02:32:50,701
nothing on the books for it no I'm not

3588
02:32:54,081 --> 02:32:52,351
one either I I assume we don't have one

3589
02:32:55,461 --> 02:32:54,091
for my County someone would have thrown

3590
02:32:59,060 --> 02:32:55,471
it my way at a few more less it was

3591
02:33:00,981 --> 02:32:59,070
secret nobody gives it so if there is

3592
02:33:03,131 --> 02:33:00,991
one it's either but again you know we

3593
02:33:07,071 --> 02:33:03,141
presumed I said we probably have a

3594
02:33:08,541 --> 02:33:07,081
detailed invasion plan for Canada no one

3595
02:33:10,041 --> 02:33:08,551
expects - usually I'd imagine but it's

3596
02:33:11,810 --> 02:33:10,051
it's probably lying around somewhere

3597
02:33:13,251 --> 02:33:11,820
there's probably someone whose job it is

3598
02:33:14,810 --> 02:33:13,261
to make sure it's up to date and we

3599
02:33:17,151 --> 02:33:14,820
probably wouldn't follow it properly

3600
02:33:18,531 --> 02:33:17,161
effects she had occasion to use it but

3601
02:33:20,751 --> 02:33:18,541
you don't bother distribute that's all

3602
02:33:22,821 --> 02:33:20,761
the division commando is because they've

3603
02:33:24,201 --> 02:33:22,831
got a million such contingency plans and

3604
02:33:26,631 --> 02:33:24,211
the only center the ones that they think

3605
02:33:27,770 --> 02:33:26,641
all very likely come up and if it

3606
02:33:29,091 --> 02:33:27,780
becomes more likely it something like

3607
02:33:30,651 --> 02:33:29,101
that is gonna come up that's when you

3608
02:33:32,331 --> 02:33:30,661
send them to play and start updating it

3609
02:33:34,071 --> 02:33:32,341
you know you can only prepare for

3610
02:33:35,421 --> 02:33:34,081
contingencies to so much and a lot of

3611
02:33:37,011 --> 02:33:35,431
the reason why you do some of we're all

3612
02:33:38,151 --> 02:33:37,021
contingencies is to kind of give

3613
02:33:41,600 --> 02:33:38,161
yourself practice for thinking outside

3614
02:33:44,001 --> 02:33:41,610
the box so I would be surprised if we

3615
02:33:47,091 --> 02:33:44,011
didn't have them lying around um I just

3616
02:33:48,560 --> 02:33:47,101
have to dust them off yeah hopefully

3617
02:33:49,911 --> 02:33:48,570
someone's doing more on dust them off

3618
02:33:52,491 --> 02:33:49,921
because even retreat is a theoretical

3619
02:33:54,411 --> 02:33:52,501
exercise this is were an out-of-context

3620
02:33:55,791 --> 02:33:54,421
problem we sometimes say or a Black Swan

3621
02:33:58,701 --> 02:33:55,801
for something a little bit more of

3622
02:34:00,231 --> 02:33:58,711
regular you know when the ship was in

3623
02:34:02,901 --> 02:34:00,241
the home world made out of metal and

3624
02:34:04,100 --> 02:34:02,911
your Neolithic civilization that you

3625
02:34:06,321 --> 02:34:04,110
don't have any way to respond to that

3626
02:34:07,551 --> 02:34:06,331
and one of the ways you can prepare for

3627
02:34:08,661 --> 02:34:07,561
things like that where you just never

3628
02:34:10,191 --> 02:34:08,671
would have thought about it is to keep

3629
02:34:12,309 --> 02:34:10,201
the mind flexible and do a lot of these

3630
02:34:15,339 --> 02:34:12,319
contingencies because they will

3631
02:34:16,779 --> 02:34:15,349
aspects of that you can't handle you

3632
02:34:18,099 --> 02:34:16,789
know goon people start breaking out into

3633
02:34:20,949 --> 02:34:18,109
a riot because they're confused about

3634
02:34:23,319 --> 02:34:20,959
what's going on right then you release

3635
02:34:24,819 --> 02:34:23,329
do you know how to react to a riot so

3636
02:34:26,409 --> 02:34:24,829
you have these things around you know to

3637
02:34:28,599 --> 02:34:26,419
keep your mind flexible and to deal with

3638
02:34:29,709 --> 02:34:28,609
those parts where you can deal with so I

3639
02:34:31,059 --> 02:34:29,719
would actually go as well since we

3640
02:34:34,239 --> 02:34:31,069
didn't have a plan for that I'd be kind

3641
02:34:35,409 --> 02:34:34,249
of irresponsible on the other hand folks

3642
02:34:37,179 --> 02:34:35,419
might be nervous about making something

3643
02:34:39,789 --> 02:34:37,189
at that for fear they get ridiculed and

3644
02:34:42,429 --> 02:34:39,799
things like that so never government you

3645
02:34:44,949 --> 02:34:42,439
know but you bring it up the that whole

3646
02:34:47,589 --> 02:34:44,959
zombie apocalypse thing you know we

3647
02:34:51,219 --> 02:34:47,599
laughed about it but that was that was a

3648
02:34:53,889 --> 02:34:51,229
real contingency that was written up and

3649
02:34:55,479 --> 02:34:53,899
studied mm-hmm now to be fair was a lot

3650
02:34:56,859 --> 02:34:55,489
of the regular advice we tell I wanted

3651
02:34:58,449 --> 02:34:56,869
to have for disaster and the same would

3652
02:35:00,579 --> 02:34:58,459
apply for a lot of you know almost any

3653
02:35:02,079 --> 02:35:00,589
catastrophe might think about you know

3654
02:35:03,969 --> 02:35:02,089
there are certain basic preparatory

3655
02:35:05,169 --> 02:35:03,979
measures you should be taken and if this

3656
02:35:06,459 --> 02:35:05,179
is a way that we can teach people about

3657
02:35:08,260 --> 02:35:06,469
it because they find it interesting or

3658
02:35:10,029 --> 02:35:08,270
funny or they just watch oak about it

3659
02:35:11,709 --> 02:35:10,039
all the metal you know that gets them

3660
02:35:13,569 --> 02:35:11,719
thinking about it then they're thinking

3661
02:35:14,889 --> 02:35:13,579
about it and that means that they'll cut

3662
02:35:16,959 --> 02:35:14,899
wood when some kind of catastrophe

3663
02:35:19,119 --> 02:35:16,969
happens because they deal with a prank

3664
02:35:20,679 --> 02:35:19,129
on their own and then let's go and cover

3665
02:35:23,679 --> 02:35:20,689
down on it the folks who maybe didn't do

3666
02:35:25,089 --> 02:35:23,689
so much of it because each is hashed we

3667
02:35:27,399 --> 02:35:25,099
almost all that had the same basic

3668
02:35:29,260 --> 02:35:27,409
playbook a lot of variations balada

3669
02:35:33,099 --> 02:35:29,270
core stuff is the same yeah absolutely

3670
02:35:37,569 --> 02:35:33,109
absolutely which takes us to our last

3671
02:35:39,129 --> 02:35:37,579
answer the question is where is ET where

3672
02:35:41,949 --> 02:35:39,139
is everybody

3673
02:35:45,939 --> 02:35:41,959
and the answer is they are here

3674
02:35:49,179 --> 02:35:45,949
unacknowledged that is you know we often

3675
02:35:50,919 --> 02:35:49,189
say that that's the least popular and so

3676
02:35:52,569 --> 02:35:50,929
for a lot of folks in the scientific

3677
02:35:56,409 --> 02:35:52,579
community but in fact it's probably the

3678
02:35:58,569 --> 02:35:56,419
number two most favored to answer how

3679
02:36:01,929 --> 02:35:58,579
have the foamy paradox and the Pony

3680
02:36:03,909 --> 02:36:01,939
paradox says one basic question if this

3681
02:36:06,489 --> 02:36:03,919
universe is so big where we have so much

3682
02:36:08,499 --> 02:36:06,499
life in it way all all the aliens and

3683
02:36:10,539 --> 02:36:08,509
that force category we have the way

3684
02:36:13,239 --> 02:36:10,549
earth ones is not a good form a paradox

3685
02:36:15,609 --> 02:36:13,249
solution because it says there's no

3686
02:36:17,109 --> 02:36:15,619
paradox at all the universe is big but

3687
02:36:18,760 --> 02:36:17,119
we shouldn't assume life is very common

3688
02:36:21,519 --> 02:36:18,770
from that right the other half of that

3689
02:36:23,109 --> 02:36:21,529
of course is where all the aliens and so

3690
02:36:24,549 --> 02:36:23,119
the answer is right here all were just

3691
02:36:26,139 --> 02:36:24,559
not admitting that they're they also to

3692
02:36:28,059 --> 02:36:26,149
ourselves or to the rest apart

3693
02:36:30,790 --> 02:36:28,069
then that's also not a for me paradox

3694
02:36:33,580 --> 02:36:30,800
and so because there's no paradox the

3695
02:36:36,550 --> 02:36:33,590
questions wrong he says why are they

3696
02:36:39,969 --> 02:36:38,649
it breaks the basic paradigm there are

3697
02:36:42,010 --> 02:36:39,979
statements of the way or they are not

3698
02:36:43,960 --> 02:36:42,020
really fundamentally form a paradox

3699
02:36:47,019 --> 02:36:43,970
solutions because the Fermi paradox is

3700
02:36:49,599 --> 02:36:47,029
assuming life should be very common and

3701
02:36:51,159 --> 02:36:49,609
we don't see it and that's a problem

3702
02:36:52,659 --> 02:36:51,169
though winning because at that point we

3703
02:36:54,130 --> 02:36:52,669
can't disprove they're here or prove

3704
02:36:55,569 --> 02:36:54,140
they're here based on what we have so

3705
02:36:59,920 --> 02:36:55,579
far it's not conclusive enough to

3706
02:37:01,330 --> 02:36:59,930
convince most people and yet it it comes

3707
02:37:04,059 --> 02:37:01,340
down to motives with any of these

3708
02:37:05,380 --> 02:37:04,069
scenarios we can't say they can't hide

3709
02:37:07,510 --> 02:37:05,390
from us because they might have better

3710
02:37:09,519 --> 02:37:07,520
technology than us there are so many

3711
02:37:11,170 --> 02:37:09,529
reasons why they might visit and for

3712
02:37:12,670 --> 02:37:11,180
each one of those we have to say what is

3713
02:37:14,439 --> 02:37:12,680
the motivation and how should they be

3714
02:37:16,659 --> 02:37:14,449
behaving if that's what they're doing

3715
02:37:19,029 --> 02:37:16,669
based on what we see what is the

3716
02:37:20,979 --> 02:37:19,039
motivation so even if that's the

3717
02:37:22,599 --> 02:37:20,989
solution the if it is good they all heal

3718
02:37:23,920 --> 02:37:22,609
and which is not acknowledging them it

3719
02:37:26,139 --> 02:37:23,930
still doesn't answer the question

3720
02:37:28,960 --> 02:37:26,149
because the question really isn't all

3721
02:37:30,399 --> 02:37:28,970
there aliens the question is what are

3722
02:37:32,019 --> 02:37:30,409
they up to what's the civilization like

3723
02:37:33,370 --> 02:37:32,029
you know I don't want to know that

3724
02:37:36,010 --> 02:37:33,380
dolphins exist I want to know about

3725
02:37:39,069 --> 02:37:36,020
dolphins and so they're all aliens he'll

3726
02:37:40,840 --> 02:37:39,079
visit us in secret I want to know what

3727
02:37:42,340 --> 02:37:40,850
they want you know what what motivates

3728
02:37:44,800 --> 02:37:42,350
them what's their purpose what do they

3729
02:37:46,540 --> 02:37:44,810
want to do and we can see a million saw

3730
02:37:48,069 --> 02:37:46,550
one of them could land right there in

3731
02:37:49,510 --> 02:37:48,079
the middle of LA like you suggested and

3732
02:37:51,309 --> 02:37:49,520
that still doesn't answer the question

3733
02:37:53,590 --> 02:37:51,319
for us it's when they get out and they

3734
02:37:56,469 --> 02:37:53,600
talk to us and they answer all questions

3735
02:38:01,229 --> 02:37:56,479
that's when we get a solution do you

3736
02:38:04,630 --> 02:38:01,239
think that we would actually be close to

3737
02:38:07,929 --> 02:38:04,640
some of our ideas or theories now or

3738
02:38:10,120 --> 02:38:07,939
would we just not have a clue why they

3739
02:38:14,349 --> 02:38:10,130
were here we would just be completely

3740
02:38:15,729 --> 02:38:14,359
wrong oh I would say my skepticism in

3741
02:38:17,439 --> 02:38:15,739
that regard is to assume that we're

3742
02:38:18,969 --> 02:38:17,449
always going to be completely wrong and

3743
02:38:20,830 --> 02:38:18,979
all assumptions on things like this and

3744
02:38:23,019 --> 02:38:20,840
every one of these things I would say I

3745
02:38:24,989 --> 02:38:23,029
don't think either Fermi paradox answers

3746
02:38:27,519 --> 02:38:24,999
is probably gonna turn out to be right

3747
02:38:30,609 --> 02:38:27,529
insofar as most of them it's the answer

3748
02:38:32,019 --> 02:38:30,619
is why are they the least wrong when you

3749
02:38:33,909 --> 02:38:32,029
look at this there's got to be something

3750
02:38:35,679 --> 02:38:33,919
wrong and all basic thinking even with

3751
02:38:38,170 --> 02:38:35,689
the actual Rayo technology and auth

3752
02:38:40,010 --> 02:38:38,180
hypothesis the flaw there would have to

3753
02:38:41,689 --> 02:38:40,020
be all dull post

3754
02:38:43,309 --> 02:38:41,699
centric view of the universe we spent

3755
02:38:45,649 --> 02:38:43,319
centuries convincing ourselves that

3756
02:38:47,989 --> 02:38:45,659
authors not unique and not very

3757
02:38:51,229 --> 02:38:47,999
important and yet if life is that rail

3758
02:38:53,239 --> 02:38:51,239
that entire mindset that authors not all

3759
02:38:55,880 --> 02:38:53,249
that special it's just wrong and that's

3760
02:38:57,260 --> 02:38:55,890
a flaw nor thinking alternatively you

3761
02:38:58,880 --> 02:38:57,270
know with each one of these there has to

3762
02:39:00,710 --> 02:38:58,890
be some core flaw

3763
02:39:03,170 --> 02:39:00,720
you know our philosophy or post

3764
02:39:05,749 --> 02:39:03,180
knowledge all in what we know about the

3765
02:39:07,279 --> 02:39:05,759
universe this fall and that's that's

3766
02:39:09,319 --> 02:39:07,289
what's kind of cool about the phony

3767
02:39:11,420 --> 02:39:09,329
paradox in today is we know the answer

3768
02:39:13,309 --> 02:39:11,430
is gonna be something that requires us

3769
02:39:16,909 --> 02:39:13,319
to change the way we look at the

3770
02:39:20,659 --> 02:39:16,919
universe in some major fashion does that

3771
02:39:23,420 --> 02:39:20,669
scare you in that there's there's two

3772
02:39:26,989 --> 02:39:23,430
things that really freaked me out one

3773
02:39:28,939 --> 02:39:26,999
that there's no life after death that

3774
02:39:32,090 --> 02:39:28,949
scares the crap out of me that you just

3775
02:39:34,130 --> 02:39:32,100
die and turn into cosmic dust and you

3776
02:39:37,789 --> 02:39:34,140
achieve your place in evolution and

3777
02:39:39,559 --> 02:39:37,799
there's nothing else to it that scares

3778
02:39:41,510 --> 02:39:39,569
the crap out of me and you know what

3779
02:39:44,960 --> 02:39:41,520
else scares the crap out of me Isaac is

3780
02:39:49,519 --> 02:39:44,970
that there are people out there that

3781
02:39:51,409 --> 02:39:49,529
think that we are it that there is no

3782
02:39:54,559 --> 02:39:51,419
other life in the universe and if that

3783
02:39:57,260 --> 02:39:54,569
is the case if there's nothing to live

3784
02:39:59,659 --> 02:39:57,270
for then why don't we just burn this

3785
02:40:02,479 --> 02:39:59,669
planet down man why don't we just party

3786
02:40:04,760 --> 02:40:02,489
like it's 1999 Wow

3787
02:40:06,380 --> 02:40:04,770
well if we were the only life in the

3788
02:40:07,819 --> 02:40:06,390
universe and I mean I tend to think

3789
02:40:09,380 --> 02:40:07,829
we'll probably it for the galaxies in

3790
02:40:11,659 --> 02:40:09,390
terms of technology but the universe a

3791
02:40:14,749 --> 02:40:11,669
big place you know galaxies a tiny tiny

3792
02:40:17,059 --> 02:40:14,759
corner and but if we did to an out to be

3793
02:40:18,800 --> 02:40:17,069
the only intelligent life that arisen so

3794
02:40:20,779 --> 02:40:18,810
far and let's say no one's gonna come

3795
02:40:23,869 --> 02:40:20,789
into play anywhere for billions of years

3796
02:40:25,819 --> 02:40:23,879
then that means that you know we will

3797
02:40:27,859 --> 02:40:25,829
voted aliens one day as we get out there

3798
02:40:29,569 --> 02:40:27,869
and we make new buttons as we just go to

3799
02:40:32,479 --> 02:40:29,579
Ward after ward and settle them and they

3800
02:40:35,179 --> 02:40:32,489
diverge and it would be such a tragedy

3801
02:40:37,159 --> 02:40:35,189
if we were the only ones and we stayed

3802
02:40:38,809 --> 02:40:37,169
here and that's one of the reasons why I

3803
02:40:40,670 --> 02:40:38,819
figure is somebody would have had to be

3804
02:40:41,960 --> 02:40:40,680
forced whether it's us or not somebody

3805
02:40:44,149 --> 02:40:41,970
was the first on the scene in the

3806
02:40:45,859 --> 02:40:44,159
Oklahoma and they'd have to be thinking

3807
02:40:49,189 --> 02:40:45,869
the same stuff we're thinking right now

3808
02:40:51,079 --> 02:40:49,199
and if that's the case what a shame

3809
02:40:52,790 --> 02:40:51,089
would be if they said no we're gonna

3810
02:40:54,290 --> 02:40:52,800
stay heal

3811
02:40:55,790 --> 02:40:54,300
I can't see them doing that I have to

3812
02:40:58,490 --> 02:40:55,800
think that they would get out there and

3813
02:41:00,620 --> 02:40:58,500
explore and expand and colonize it's

3814
02:41:02,060 --> 02:41:00,630
because the universe is is you know we

3815
02:41:05,000 --> 02:41:02,070
always talk about how interesting space

3816
02:41:07,070 --> 02:41:05,010
is space is really boring but you only

3817
02:41:08,570 --> 02:41:07,080
looking at just the Vox and the star is

3818
02:41:09,830 --> 02:41:08,580
an ER the science the astronomy is

3819
02:41:13,070 --> 02:41:09,840
awesome but there's a lot of repetition

3820
02:41:15,470 --> 02:41:13,080
the uniqueness the coolness is what life

3821
02:41:18,680 --> 02:41:15,480
does I couldn't imagine leaving all

3822
02:41:20,330 --> 02:41:18,690
these systems the galaxy Baylin I'd want

3823
02:41:21,680 --> 02:41:20,340
to get out there and explore them and if

3824
02:41:26,660 --> 02:41:21,690
I found they were empty I'd want to put

3825
02:41:30,140 --> 02:41:26,670
something there yeah I mean the the goal

3826
02:41:31,940 --> 02:41:30,150
should be I would think that the goal

3827
02:41:35,841 --> 02:41:31,950
should be right now we should be

3828
02:41:38,570 --> 02:41:35,851
building interstellar generational ships

3829
02:41:40,820 --> 02:41:38,580
right now that's the we shouldn't be

3830
02:41:43,370 --> 02:41:40,830
focused on anything else but that and

3831
02:41:45,560 --> 02:41:43,380
putting you know three four or five

3832
02:41:47,990 --> 02:41:45,570
thousand people on them and shooting

3833
02:41:51,591 --> 02:41:48,000
them off in a direction whether it's

3834
02:41:54,591 --> 02:41:51,601
Alpha Centauri right I don't care pick

3835
02:41:56,060 --> 02:41:54,601
pick pick something and just head out in

3836
02:41:58,671 --> 02:41:56,070
that direction and eventually you're

3837
02:42:00,320 --> 02:41:58,681
gonna get there but this planet here

3838
02:42:03,110 --> 02:42:00,330
isn't going to be around forever and our

3839
02:42:04,790 --> 02:42:03,120
Sun is not either and that's what we

3840
02:42:06,320 --> 02:42:04,800
should be planning on is getting off

3841
02:42:11,150 --> 02:42:06,330
this planet we should have a goal that

3842
02:42:14,450 --> 02:42:11,160
unifies us all there is so much out

3843
02:42:16,551 --> 02:42:14,460
there that we can do and you know we

3844
02:42:18,410 --> 02:42:16,561
somewhere along the line we start off on

3845
02:42:21,020 --> 02:42:18,420
this earth it's a small tribe in one

3846
02:42:22,370 --> 02:42:21,030
location and we spread out even though

3847
02:42:23,750 --> 02:42:22,380
we couldn't talk to each other you know

3848
02:42:25,461 --> 02:42:23,760
you can't maintain a civilization

3849
02:42:27,921 --> 02:42:25,471
without faster than I travel over big

3850
02:42:29,870 --> 02:42:27,931
distances but you can set and colonies

3851
02:42:31,700 --> 02:42:29,880
out all those folks who set it all

3852
02:42:33,740 --> 02:42:31,710
across the planet back in the dawn of

3853
02:42:35,690 --> 02:42:33,750
time as a war they couldn't talk to each

3854
02:42:37,040 --> 02:42:35,700
other but they still spread out they

3855
02:42:39,980 --> 02:42:37,050
still sent their sons and daughters

3856
02:42:41,810 --> 02:42:39,990
after new places and I can't see us not

3857
02:42:43,881 --> 02:42:41,820
doing that and it's so hard for me to

3858
02:42:45,591 --> 02:42:43,891
imagine any other species choosing to do

3859
02:42:48,591 --> 02:42:45,601
that sunlight but they can't be the

3860
02:42:50,301 --> 02:42:48,601
majority they can't be all of them so

3861
02:42:52,250 --> 02:42:50,311
somebody's got to be out there doing it

3862
02:42:53,540 --> 02:42:52,260
and they're none this is where we always

3863
02:42:55,850 --> 02:42:53,550
come back to the possibility that we

3864
02:42:57,500 --> 02:42:55,860
might be really real I have to think it

3865
02:43:00,470 --> 02:42:57,510
was because we just had to be the first

3866
02:43:01,461 --> 02:43:00,480
on the scene but if we're not the only

3867
02:43:03,860 --> 02:43:01,471
thing that can make sense to me is

3868
02:43:05,440 --> 02:43:03,870
either in the long haul civilizations

3869
02:43:08,500 --> 02:43:05,450
just collapse out of existential

3870
02:43:10,120 --> 02:43:08,510
dread or they get out there and colonize

3871
02:43:11,710 --> 02:43:10,130
places and for some reason they just

3872
02:43:13,440 --> 02:43:11,720
haven't talked to us yet and there are

3873
02:43:16,240 --> 02:43:13,450
so many reasons that could be the case

3874
02:43:18,520 --> 02:43:16,250
maybe they do follow the prime directive

3875
02:43:20,620 --> 02:43:18,530
maybe they we just see the occasional

3876
02:43:22,630 --> 02:43:20,630
accident where somebody gets exposed but

3877
02:43:24,040 --> 02:43:22,640
they are trying to you know keep things

3878
02:43:26,440 --> 02:43:24,050
fairly quiet so they don't disrupt us

3879
02:43:27,580 --> 02:43:26,450
too much I can't imagine they have not

3880
02:43:29,290 --> 02:43:27,590
taken interest on us

3881
02:43:31,060 --> 02:43:29,300
if they all heal you know if they all

3882
02:43:33,670 --> 02:43:31,070
allowed the area how could they not find

3883
02:43:37,210 --> 02:43:33,680
us interesting we would yes or no

3884
02:43:43,210 --> 02:43:37,220
question would you go to Mars one way

3885
02:43:46,450 --> 02:43:43,220
trip no just gave us the best-case

3886
02:43:48,820 --> 02:43:46,460
scenario of generational ships and

3887
02:43:51,730 --> 02:43:48,830
colonizing but you won't sign up for

3888
02:43:53,710 --> 02:43:51,740
Mars if nobody else would I certainly

3889
02:43:55,240 --> 02:43:53,720
would but my philosophies they said well

3890
02:43:57,730 --> 02:43:55,250
this I got most of my traveling done

3891
02:43:59,679 --> 02:43:57,740
when I was younger I like staying at a

3892
02:44:02,170 --> 02:43:59,689
home right now and my nice quiet little

3893
02:44:03,730 --> 02:44:02,180
rule you know Haven there are so many

3894
02:44:06,100 --> 02:44:03,740
people who would be lying up for the

3895
02:44:07,510 --> 02:44:06,110
chance you know if this planet was

3896
02:44:09,400 --> 02:44:07,520
getting ready to go we had a hundred

3897
02:44:11,230 --> 02:44:09,410
million people that we could take off

3898
02:44:13,810 --> 02:44:11,240
plan to some new wall before the plant

3899
02:44:15,520 --> 02:44:13,820
blew up I'll give my ticket away if I

3900
02:44:16,929 --> 02:44:15,530
was lucky enough to win one because I'd

3901
02:44:18,490 --> 02:44:16,939
rather stay here and give to somebody

3902
02:44:20,710 --> 02:44:18,500
else who we are why are you out there

3903
02:44:22,870 --> 02:44:20,720
and explore I would love to hear about

3904
02:44:25,210 --> 02:44:22,880
what they see but I'm personally quite

3905
02:44:27,360 --> 02:44:25,220
happy to stay behind and let the folks

3906
02:44:29,200 --> 02:44:27,370
who enjoy the exploration and go do that

3907
02:44:32,020 --> 02:44:29,210
Isaac thank you for this conversation

3908
02:44:34,270 --> 02:44:32,030
tonight and let everybody know where

3909
02:44:36,190 --> 02:44:34,280
they can come and find you well thank

3910
02:44:37,480 --> 02:44:36,200
you for having me on Jimmy if you enjoy

3911
02:44:39,700 --> 02:44:37,490
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3912
02:44:41,110 --> 02:44:39,710
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3913
02:44:43,900 --> 02:44:41,120
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3914
02:44:48,100 --> 02:44:43,910
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3915
02:44:50,200 --> 02:44:48,110
and how often do you put out new

3916
02:44:53,380 --> 02:44:50,210
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3917
02:44:55,000 --> 02:44:53,390
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3918
02:44:56,860 --> 02:44:55,010
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3919
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3920
02:45:02,200 --> 02:44:59,810
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3921
02:45:05,679 --> 02:45:02,210
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3922
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3923
02:45:11,530 --> 02:45:08,689
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3924
02:45:13,480 --> 02:45:11,540
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3925
02:45:15,400 --> 02:45:13,490
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3926
02:45:17,920 --> 02:45:15,410
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3927
02:45:19,240 --> 02:45:17,930
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3928
02:45:20,740 --> 02:45:19,250
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3929
02:45:22,180 --> 02:45:20,750
wonderful people though that have been

3930
02:45:23,890 --> 02:45:22,190
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3931
02:45:28,180 --> 02:45:23,900
made it so much better off yeah yeah

3932
02:45:30,430 --> 02:45:28,190
that's the thing you can you can do one

3933
02:45:33,370 --> 02:45:30,440
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3934
02:45:36,790 --> 02:45:33,380
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3935
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3936
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3937
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3938
02:45:45,550 --> 02:45:43,550
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3939
02:45:47,950 --> 02:45:45,560
to watch so thank you for all that you

3940
02:45:49,990 --> 02:45:47,960
do Isaac it's just an amazing body of

3941
02:45:52,030 --> 02:45:50,000
work now thank you for so much for

3942
02:45:52,870 --> 02:45:52,040
having me on Jimmy and we'll talk soon

3943
02:45:57,400 --> 02:45:52,880
Thank You Isaac

3944
02:46:01,120 --> 02:45:57,410
Oh Isaac say good night

3945
02:46:03,280 --> 02:46:01,130
good night I thought I lost you again at

3946
02:46:05,290 --> 02:46:03,290
the end of the show all right Isaac

3947
02:46:06,550 --> 02:46:05,300
Arthur everybody I'm gonna run credits

3948
02:46:10,840 --> 02:46:06,560
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3949
02:46:12,460 --> 02:46:10,850
Isaac it is Isaac Arthur dotnet and his

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3951
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3952
02:46:20,860 --> 02:46:18,860
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3953
02:46:23,710 --> 02:46:20,870
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3954
02:46:26,350 --> 02:46:23,720
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3955
02:46:28,390 --> 02:46:26,360
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